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3 dead out of 10 aboard a turbine Otter out by Illiamna.

"""Myrtle Anelon lives across a creek from the crash site and said she woke this morning to someone knocking on the door, asking for flashlights, as villagers rallied to help the survivors.

"We went out and turned all our car lights on
, and a few minutes later we could see the light from the plane wing," Anelon said. "You could see the wing straight up in the air from here, this morning."

“People from all over the lake came and helped," she said. """

http://www.adn.com/article/20150915/float-plane-10-aboard-crashes-iliamna-fatalities
 
3 dead out of 10 aboard a turbine Otter out by Illiamna.

"""Myrtle Anelon lives across a creek from the crash site and said she woke this morning to someone knocking on the door, asking for flashlights, as villagers rallied to help the survivors.

"We went out and turned all our car lights on
, and a few minutes later we could see the light from the plane wing," Anelon said. "You could see the wing straight up in the air from here, this morning."

“People from all over the lake came and helped," she said. """

http://www.adn.com/article/20150915/float-plane-10-aboard-crashes-iliamna-fatalities

pictures from troopers
http://dps.alaska.gov/PIO/releases/...rcraft Crashes/Iliamna Fatal Crash 9_15_2015/
 
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 06-SEP-15
Time: 01:11:00Z
Regis#: N2850M
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: PA12
Event Type: Incident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: None
LOCATION
City: BUTTE MEADOWS
State: California
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT FORCE LANDED ON A DRY LAKE BED, NEAR BUTTE MEADOWS, CA
INJURY DATA
 
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 10-SEP-15
Time: 20:30:00Z
Regis#: N38719
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: J5A
Event Type: Incident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: None
LOCATION
City: POMPANO BEACH
State: Florida
Country: United States
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT EXPERIENCED A LOST OF POWER ND LANDED ON THE BEACH, POMPANO, FL.
 
A PA-17 accident. You do not hear of many of these........


IDENTIFICATION
Date: 09-SEP-15
Time: 22:00:00Z
Regis#: N4653H
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: PA17
Event Type: Accident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: DELPHI
State: Indiana
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT DURING HAND PROPING, ROLLED INTO A HANGAR, DELPHI MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, DLEPHI, IN
 
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 07-SEP-15
Time: 17:00:00Z
Regis#: N5947T
Aircraft Make: CESSNA
Aircraft Model: 150
Event Type: Accident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: GILLAM
State: Alaska
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, GILLAM GLACIER, ALASKA
 
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 15-SEP-15
Time: 21:30:00Z
Regis#: N676SP
Aircraft Make: DE HAVILLAND
Aircraft Model: DHC2
Event Type: Accident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: RUBY
State: Alaska
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT ON TAKEOFF, WING STRUCK A TREE AND WENT INTO AN EMBANKMENT, UPPER NOWITNA RIVER, 60 MILES FROM RUBY, ALASKA
 
Interesting pics.
One wing up and not damaged.
Prop blades bent backwards.
No path of destruction.

Turbine Otters have a reversible pitch prop. I wonder what would happen if one went nuts and went into reverse pitch ???
 
mainly propeller tips get bent when under power,
but these are bent ONLY way at root...
it wasn't producing power at impact....
abort?, engine out????
 
WHY YOU CAN DISAPPEAR ON A LOCAL FLIGHT>

Palmer pilot injured in small-plane crash at Talkeetna airport
Chris Klint September 21, 2015 Alaska Dispatch


A Palmer man was severely injured at the Talkeetna airport Sunday evening when a small plane crashed off the end of the runway, troopers say.

The crash of a red-and-white American Champion Citabria 7ECA left the plane's pilot, 54-year-old David L. Meyers, in serious condition at Providence Alaska Medical Center on Monday morning. The crash of his plane was first reported to troopers at about 8:45 p.m. Sunday, according to a Monday dispatch.

Troopers and medics responding to the initial 911 call couldn’t immediately find the crash site and began a search of the area.

“After approximately 20 minutes of searching, Meyers and the aircraft were located in the trees near the north end of the runway,” troopers wrote. “Meyers was conscious and alert but had suffered serious injuries.”

A LifeMed air ambulance flew Meyers to an Anchorage hospital. The crash left the plane with extensive damage, troopers wrote.

Clint Johnson, the National Transportation Safety Board's chief Alaska investigator, said Monday that Meyers had apparently crashed into trees during a landing attempt at the airport, based on word from troopers at the scene.

"It sounded like he was landing and tried to do a go-around," Johnson said.
 
I think the writer is a commercial pilot in Alaska, hence the accuracy and lack of sensationalism in the article.
 
"""The probable cause of the crash was the operator's failure to account for about 420 additional pounds of unspecified cargo, which led to loading and operating the de Havilland DHC3 Otter outside its weight and center-of-gravity limits, the report said..."""

Hmm. it would have had to have been in a real weird place for 420 pounds to make much of a difference for a turbine Otter.
 
"""The probable cause of the crash was the operator's failure to account for about 420 additional pounds of unspecified cargo, which led to loading and operating the de Havilland DHC3 Otter outside its weight and center-of-gravity limits, the report said..."""

Hmm. it would have had to have been in a real weird place for 420 pounds to make much of a difference for a turbine Otter.

Aft, Alex......that'd do it. Sad.

MTV
 
I always wondered if it was a case of cargo shift. But I saw what was left after the fire. Everything was in a big black pile.
 
Alex,

Remember the Beech 1900 accident, coming from Kodiak with a load of deer hunters and dead deer? Only survivor was the labrador in his kennel, in the aft baggage with all that deer meat...... Airplanes don't like aft loading.....and guess where all the cargo goes when you've got passengers in an Otter?

MTV
 
How does the NTSB know how much overweight it was? They don't know what the fuel load was.
 
*** Note: NTSB investigators traveled in support of this investigation and used data obtained from various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report. ***
Before picking up the nine passengers, the pilot loaded the accident airplane at the operator's base in Nikiski with cargo (food and supplies for the lodge). The operator of the lodge where the passengers were headed estimated the cargo weighed about 300 pounds (lbs) and that the passengers' baggage weighed about 80 lbs. Estimates of the passengers' weights were provided to the lodge operator in preparation for the trip, which totaled 1,350 lbs. The load manifest listed each of these weight estimates for a total weight of 1,730 lbs and did not contain any balance data. The cargo was not weighed, and the pilot did not document any weight and balance calculations nor was he required to do so.
The airplane operator did not keep fueling records for each flight. A witness who was present during the fueling operations at the operator's base reported that he saw the pilot top off the front tank then begin fueling the center tank. The first leg of the trip from the operator's base to pick up the passengers was completed uneventfully.
According to witnesses at Soldotna Airport, after loading the passengers and their baggage, the pilot taxied for departure. There were no witnesses to the accident. The airplane impacted the ground about 2,320 feet from the threshold of the departure runway and about 154 feet right of the runway centerline.
Airport Name: Runway Identification: Runway Length/Width (Ft): Runway Surface: Runway Surface Condition:
Soldotna Airport 25 5000 / 132 Asphalt Dry
42
Commercial; Multi-engine Land; Single-engine Land
Airplane
7765 Unk/Nr 155 UnK/Nr
Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Name of Carrier Type of Flight Operation: Reg. Flight Conducted Under:
Brief of
An extensive postcrash fire consumed most of the airplane's cockpit and cabin area, including an unknown quantity of the baggage and cargo. Impact signatures were consistent with a nose- and right-wing-low attitude at impact.
The entire airplane was accounted for at the wreckage site. Disassembly and examination of the engine and propeller revealed that both were operating during impact. Examination of the structure and flight control systems found no preimpact malfunctions or failures that would have precluded normal operation. The pilot was properly certificated and qualified in accordance with applicable federal regulations. Toxicological testing of specimens from the pilot was negative for any carbon monoxide, alcohol, or drugs.
The airplane was not equipped, and was not required to be equipped, with any type of crash-resistant recorder. A video recovered from a passenger's smartphone showed the accident sequence looking out of the row 4 left seat window; the left wing and flaps are in view for most of the sequence and the flap position does not change. The investigation found that the flaps were set to the full-down (or landing) position during takeoff, contrary to recommended procedures in the airplane flight manual (AFM).

The recovered video was used to estimate the airplane speed, altitude, and orientation for the portion of the flight where ground references were visible, about 22.5 seconds after the start of the takeoff roll. For the first 12 seconds, the airplane accelerated linearly from the beginning of the takeoff roll through liftoff. The pitch angle decreased slightly in the first 8 seconds as the tail lifted, remained essentially constant for about 4 seconds, and began to slightly increase as the airplane lifted off. Beginning about 14 seconds after the start of the takeoff roll, the speed began decreasing and the pitch angle began increasing. The pitch angle increased at a constant rate (about 2.8 degrees/second), reaching a maximum value of about 30 degrees, and the ground speed decreased from its maximum of about 68 mph to about 44 mph at the end of the analyzed time. The ground references disappeared from the video frame as the airplane experienced a sharp right roll before impacting the ground several seconds later.
The low speed, rapid right roll, and pitch down of the airplane is consistent with an aerodynamic stall. The constant pitch rate before the stall is consistent with an aft center of gravity (CG) condition of sufficient magnitude that the elevator pitch down authority was insufficient to overcome the pitching moment generated by the aft CG. Additionally, the flaps setting at the full-down (or landing) position, contrary to procedures contained in the AFM, would have exacerbated the nose-up pitching moment due to the increased downwash on the tail and aft shift of the center of pressure; the additional aerodynamic drag from the fully extended flaps would have altered the airplane's acceleration.

Using the data available, the airplane was within weight and balance limitations for the first leg of the trip. However, the cargo loaded was about 2.4 times the weight indicated on the load manifest. Further, the total weight of cargo and baggage in the cargo area, as estimated during the investigation, exceeded the installed cargo net's load limit of 750 lbs by more than 50 lbs. Although the loaded cargo actual weight was higher than indicated on the load manifest, the flight from Nikiski to Soldotna was completed without any concerns noted by the pilot, indicating that even with the higher cargo load, the airplane was within the normal CG range for that leg of the flight.

Thus, based on the investigation's best estimate and a calculation of the airplane's weight and balance using the recovered passenger weights, weights and location of the luggage recovered on scene, weight of the cargo recovered on scene, and weights accounting for the liquid cargo destroyed in the postimpact fire, once the passengers were loaded, the airplane weight would have exceeded the maximum gross weight of 8,000 lbs by about 21 lbs and the CG would have been at least 5.5 inches aft of the 152.2-inch limit (a more definitive calculation could not be performed because the exact location of the cargo was not known).

Additionally, the kinematics study of the accident airplane's weight and motion during initial climb and up to the point of stall found that with the pilot applying full pitch-down control input, the CG required to produce the motion observed in the video was likely just past 161 inches. Thus, the only way for the airplane motion to match the motion observed in the video was for the CG to be considerably aft of the 152.2-inch limit, which provides additional support to the results from the weight and balance study. Based on the video study, the weight and balance study constructed from available weight and balance information, and the kinematics study, the airplane exceeded the aft CG limit at takeoff, which resulted in an uncontrollable nose-up pitch leading to an aerodynamic stall. The CG was so far aft of the limit that the airplane likely would have stalled even with the flaps in the correct position.

Accident (Continued)
DCA13MA121 File No. 0 07/07/2013 Soldotna ,AK Aircraft Reg No. N93PC Time (Local): 11:20 AKD
Brief of
Neither 14 CFR Part 135 nor the operator's operations specifications (OpSpec) require that the aircraft weight and balance be physically documented for any flights. However, according to Section A096 of the OpSpec, when determining aircraft weight and balance, the operator should use either the actual measured weights for all passengers, baggage, and cargo or the solicited weights for passengers plus 10 lbs and actual measured weights for baggage and cargo. The operator did not comply with federal regulations that require adherence to the weighing requirements or the takeoff weight limitations in the AFM. Additionally, although the inaccurate estimate of 300 lbs for the cargo resulted in a calculated CG that was within limits for both legs of the flight, the actual weight of the cargo was significantly higher. Once loaded in Soldotna, the combination of the passengers, their baggage, and the actual cargo weight and its location resulted in the CG for the accident flight being significantly aft of the limit. With the CG so far aft, even with full nose-down input from the pilot, the nose continued to pitch up until the airplane stalled.
For each flight in multiengine operations, 14 CFR 135.63(c) requires the preparation of a load manifest that includes, among other items the number of passengers, total weight of the loaded aircraft, the maximum allowable takeoff weight, and the CG location of the loaded aircraft; one copy of the load manifest should be carried in the airplane and the operator is required to keep the records for at least 30 days. Single-engine operations are excluded from this requirement. The NTSB attempted to address this exclusion with the issuance of Safety Recommendations A-89-135 and A-99-61, which asked the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to amend the record-keeping requirements of 14 [CFR] 135.63(c) to apply to single-engine as well as multiengine aircraft. The FAA did not take the recommended action in either instance, and the NTSB classified Safety Recommendations A-89-135 and A-99-61 "Closed—Unacceptable Action" in 1990 and 2014, respectively.
 
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IDENTIFICATION
Date: 16-OCT-15
Time: 23:30:00Z
Regis#: N4336Z
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: PA18
Event Type: Accident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: SULUA BAY
State: Alaska
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT ON TAXI TO PARK, GROUND LOOPED, SULUA BAY, ALASKA
 
IDENTIFICATION
Date: 16-OCT-15
Time: 23:30:00Z
Regis#: N4336Z
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: PA18
Event Type: Accident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Substantial
LOCATION
City: SULUA BAY
State: Alaska
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT ON TAXI TO PARK, GROUND LOOPED, SULUA BAY, ALASKA
 
DENTIFICATION
Date: 15-OCT-15
Time: 17:45:00Z
Regis#: N83454
Aircraft Make: PIPER
Aircraft Model: PA18
Event Type: Incident
Highest Injury: None
Aircraft Missing:
Damage: Minor
LOCATION
City: GREYBULL
State: Wyoming
Country:
DESCRIPTION
Description: AIRCRAFT ON LANDING STRUCK THE PROP, NEAR GREYBULL, WY
 
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