Field Approvals
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bob turner
Registered User
They owe it to us to make this clear. My FSDO is very reluctant, but has not said no. I have a pending request with TSO parts, complete engineering data, excerpts from 23-27 and the inspector's TO that indicate approval should be forthcoming or a written reaon for disapproval should issue. So far it has been over two months and two inspectors. Maybe time to get clear guidelines.
skywagon8a
MEMBER
SE Mass MA6
The following is the FAA's guideline for field approvals. http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?docId=E748AA8119D00C248525734F0076663A It is lengthy. All of the procedures are listed including a flow chart of how to accomplish the approval. I don't see a flat NO for an answer. Perhaps the FSDOs which say NO just don't WANT to do it, are "lazy" or "don't want to do their job".
Last year at the IA meeting our FSDO spent a great deal of time telling us how to get a field approval accomplished. A flat "NO" was not part of the discussion. It is up to us to get everything in order first, to expedite the process. Cross all the "T"s and dot all the "i"s before you ask for the approval.
Last year at the IA meeting our FSDO spent a great deal of time telling us how to get a field approval accomplished. A flat "NO" was not part of the discussion. It is up to us to get everything in order first, to expedite the process. Cross all the "T"s and dot all the "i"s before you ask for the approval.
cubunltd
Registered User
Belle Vernon,PA
I just got a field approval last week. No hassles. In fact the guys at my FSDO will help you with the wording if it needs corrected etc. Guess I'm lucky to have personal at my FSDO with knowledge and common sense. Oh by the way, most of these guys fly also!
mike mcs repair
Registered User
chugiak AK
I heard 8th. Which is it?.. Link ?.
chetharris
Registered User
Anchorage
Kafkaesque
It was scheduled fot the 8th of May. They had too much interest, so they cancelled. It seems from looking at the "process," they do not want to issue field approvals.
http://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/event_details.aspx?eid=44018
It was scheduled fot the 8th of May. They had too much interest, so they cancelled. It seems from looking at the "process," they do not want to issue field approvals.
http://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/event_details.aspx?eid=44018
mike mcs repair
Registered User
chugiak AK
Now I am confused. More. 2 or 8 or canceled?
mike mcs repair
Registered User
chugiak AK
I just put a call in to the guy listed on that link.... Waiting for a call back
mike mcs repair
Registered User
chugiak AK
Just a thought from late 1980's again, when they wouldn't field approve tundra tires... The owners quit getting annuals done, since their was NO way to get their plane airworthy, and they HAD to have them to use the planes up here.... I bet we will see that start up again....
I got ramped several times last year. All in semi remote areas of ak. Guys said the bosses sent them all out of office for hunting season. To ramp away accidents no doubt.
Three falls back had FAA drop in on us with Helo but it wasn't a "ramp check." It was a "safety check"
Btw it was a long ranger on lease. Your tax dollars.
8GCBC
Registered User
Oahu
Wow. That is pretty aggressive. Sounds like the DEA in Hawaii!
"Field Approval Meeting and Open Forum Discussion"
Topic: Changes to the Major Repair / Major Alteration Field Approval Process
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 at 5:30 PM
Location:
Wendy Williamson Auditorium, University of Alaska
Wendy Williamson Auditorium, Bldg #12
2533 Providence Drive
Anchorage, AK 99508
Select Number:
Description:
In June of 2011, the guidance that FAA Aviation Safety Inspectors use to perform Field Approvals of major repairs and major alterations changed. Specifically, Figure 4-68 of FAA Order 8900.1, Volume 4, Chapter 9, Section 1 was revised.
Although this change in the Airworthiness Inspectors Handbook has affected the timeliness to process some major repairs and major alterationsvia Field Approval’s, the FAA is still processing Field Approvals.
The FAA is hosting an event to convey recent changes to the Field Approval process and to solicit feedback and recommendations from the Alaskan industry groups, repair stations, air carriers, mechanics, pilots and the general public.
O'Brian is gone. How much longer till the Field approval is too.
This is what I got I wasn't looking at it when I wrote the first Post. Some of you guys down south let the rest of us know what is up.
Thanks
bob turner
Registered User
I only have access to what pops up when I google 8900.1, but this is my impression of what it says:
Fig 4-69 - These lists are not all-inclusive, and each alteration should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. . . . Additionally, . . . ASI should review . . . AC . . .for specific types.
Also 4-1192 D 4 seems to indicate that the ASI should notify the applicant in writing, and should include the reason for denial, as well as a reasonable opportunity to correct the application.
I was denied once, and they did it by ignoring my application. I am somewhat timid about insisting on a written denial, since I depend on the good will of these guys, and usually get it.
Fig 4-69 - These lists are not all-inclusive, and each alteration should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. . . . Additionally, . . . ASI should review . . . AC . . .for specific types.
Also 4-1192 D 4 seems to indicate that the ASI should notify the applicant in writing, and should include the reason for denial, as well as a reasonable opportunity to correct the application.
I was denied once, and they did it by ignoring my application. I am somewhat timid about insisting on a written denial, since I depend on the good will of these guys, and usually get it.
T.J.
Registered User
Alaska
My PMI once told me No more Field Approvals without DER documentation or submit it to our (FAA) engineers. They were 3 years behind at that time. This is on the Kenai Peninsula. I understand Anchorage is still getting some Field Approvals?
Typical fsdo shuffle. One will and one won't.
Typical fsdo shuffle. One will and one won't.
Steve Pierce
BENEFACTOR
Graham, TX
TJ, I still get them even though they tell me they can't. I quote chapter and verse what is linked above and they start back peddling. It is kinda a sport to show them what they can do and get them to do it.
Field Approval Meeting and Open Forum May 8th, 2012 - Cancellation Notice
Notice Number: NOTC3698
The field approval meeting and open forum to discuss the recent policy changes in the approval of major repairs and major alterations scheduled on Tuesday May 8th , 2012 between 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM at the UAA Williamson Auditorium has been postponed until further notice.
Reason for Postponement:
Based on feedback received from the public and FAA resources in the last two weeks, several internal FAA meetings have taken place to discuss ways to improve our response time and address the recent impact of the changes contained in figure 4-68 of FAA Order 8900.1, Volume 4, Chapter 9, Section 1. Based on these discussions, the policy holders AFS-300, Aircraft Maintenance Division and the Aircraft Engineering Division located in Washington D.C. are in the process of implementing immediate changes to address the concerns identified. Based on these immediate changes, FAA Management decided that it would be more appropriate to delay the upcoming meeting, implement the changes and allow an appropriate amount of time to measure results. After the results are gathered, they will reschedule the trip to Alaska to address any further concerns if needed. Your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated.
Contact person if needed. Mark Wilson 907-350-5080
Notice Number: NOTC3698
The field approval meeting and open forum to discuss the recent policy changes in the approval of major repairs and major alterations scheduled on Tuesday May 8th , 2012 between 5:30 PM to 8:30 PM at the UAA Williamson Auditorium has been postponed until further notice.
Reason for Postponement:
Based on feedback received from the public and FAA resources in the last two weeks, several internal FAA meetings have taken place to discuss ways to improve our response time and address the recent impact of the changes contained in figure 4-68 of FAA Order 8900.1, Volume 4, Chapter 9, Section 1. Based on these discussions, the policy holders AFS-300, Aircraft Maintenance Division and the Aircraft Engineering Division located in Washington D.C. are in the process of implementing immediate changes to address the concerns identified. Based on these immediate changes, FAA Management decided that it would be more appropriate to delay the upcoming meeting, implement the changes and allow an appropriate amount of time to measure results. After the results are gathered, they will reschedule the trip to Alaska to address any further concerns if needed. Your patience in this matter is greatly appreciated.
Contact person if needed. Mark Wilson 907-350-5080
behindpropellers
Registered User
NE Ohio
So why do they only have these kinds of informative meetings in Ak?
In about 1987 when I was under the "control" of the Atlanta FSDO there was a really nice bunch of inspectors. These were older guys who had scars on their hands and grease under their fingernails. I called one of them one day to ask about putting in a bigger engine in a guy's airplane. The simple answer from the Inspector was, "you'll never get it approved by the guys here because the FAA lawyers have scared the devil out of us about personal libility if anything happens. Sorry."
mike mcs repair
Registered User
chugiak AK
and I did get a call back from the guy listed there, Andy, he was helpful and said like mit greb posted, the Washington feds thought it was more important to finish the new 'fix' or whatever they are activly working on, than to stop work on that, come have a meeting in AK, and then change the rules/fix a week later or such..... so it sounds like something is in the works, I don't understand what, because I have not done any field approval stuff since last spring.....
basically stay tuned, was the message.... (ps.. nice guy, he reads here, knew my handle here when I said my last name....
) 'breaker 1-9.. this is the mixed up mechanic...' or so I gave my self when I was 7..
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absocountry2
Registered User
Looks like they are going to make changes and see how it works before they have a meeting. If it gets sorted we may not need another meeting.
Chris Campbell
Registered User
We have been held up for months now on a simple field approval for otter Cleveland wheels and brakes. We have 2 other otters already approved but they said we can't use those field approvals for data anymore except as "acceptable" data not "approved" data. Anyways we have "acceptable" data in the form of previous and operating approvals. The last word now is that is has to go to DC for approval. Crazy. They other option they gave us was to go back to the Goodyear brakes while they sort this out.....The same brake that the pilots report are not effective. So now they FAA is impeding safety. Safety is not near as important as compliance apparently.
