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X Cub, Carbon Cub and the Like...

WindOnHisNose

BENEFACTOR
Lino Lakes MN (MY18)
I have seen the new X Cub, I have seen and appreciated the Carbon Cub and I have touched each of these and appreciated the engineering, the technology that exists in each. I have seen the Carbon Cub breathe new life into those who have been forced by our bureaucratic medical establishment into flying lighter aircraft into these multi $200,000 aircraft and I am happy for them. Bravo for those who can afford the X Cub, the Carbon Cub. Bravo for those who can afford the Carbon Cub. I am truly happy for them, and I celebrate the beauty of these wonderful aircraft.

I know, however, that my little grandson Jaxen, my little granddaughters Jemma and Quinn, don't give a flying rat's ass about those aircraft.
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I am recovering from the New Holstein Supercub Flyin (which was terrific), but I was taken by the fact that these kids, the future of aviation, could care less about how much carbon was in the airplane. When the flour bombers were chosen to take their seats in the aircraft for dropping little sacks of flour they could care less about the short field capabilities of the aircraft. They just wanted to experience the thrill of flight.
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While I celebrate the technology involved in the "X Cub" and appreciate the advances that the aircraft represents, I see the future of aviation, and the future of these kids getting a chance to actually fly and own an aircraft, not in the X Cub. I see them gaining a seat in the back of a plain, old, stock super cub, or a J3 cub, or a Cessna 150, or the like.

Not many can afford the new generation of aircraft, be that the X Cub for $200,000 plus, nor the Carbon Cub, nor the Cirrus aircraft. While it is fine, in my humble opinion, to cheer, applaud and admire the new generation of aircraft, it is important to recognize that the simple stock super cub, or the simple stock J3 or stock Cessna 150, is likely to be the key to the future. Not many amongst us can afford the new technology.

More importantly, it is the willingness of those of us who own super cubs, or who own X Cubs, or Carbon Cubs, to give flight experiences to kids in flour bomb demos, as was recently done in New Holstein, that will propel these kids into the air. I stood on the ground and looked at the pilots/aircraft owners who were willing to give rides to these kids and gave thanks to them. I looked at those with high dollar aircraft who sat on the sidelines and wished that they had taken the steps necessary to let these kids have the experience of a lifetime.

Randy, the Owner of a Stock Cub, and Proud of It
 

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somedays i think it's cheaper to build "NEW", than to take apart your "OLD" and repair & rebuild it to a modern & better than new....

seems you can buy 3 nice flying "olds" for what it takes to make a perfect modern rebuild.... especially PA-12's.... (at shop rate, PAYING someone like me... not doing it your self..)
 
Randy,

Those cool lights and Santa decorations are not "Stock"!!!

But the smiles I am seeing in the picture sure are!
 
Teach your kids and grandkids to weld, glue and brush/spray paint. The only future in aviation for the working stiff is E-AB. The path to the XCub, etc. is law school or pre-med. but the other way is to get your hands dirty.
I love the new tech. too but I'm afraid it's not in my genes...... I have an LSA compliant airplane and repairman cert. Only need to find a CFI every 2 years and good to go...... Also no generator= no x-ponder= no ADS-B

Jack
 
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W C Fields loved kids ha ha but I loved the movie when had many cars in a row when recked one then he would use the next one.had like 5 cars and drivers follow him.

I have been seeing these 18 year olds on some kind of drug.most ridelin(spellihg) or something like it. most of new banner pilots have attention disorder. we must start these new pilots young and keep them away from games on computer. I am serious they are useless , the new way is not to commit to memory,like my spelling,I just yell Inga( German other have) how do you spell a world.this young does the same thing ,just ask the phone. this is not good because they can not recall data needed to be a pilot then add in flying once a month,=
 
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I think I am being called out here :smile:

It is important to remember that every one of our airplanes was new once. I still think of my top cub as new, even though I bought it used thirteen or so years ago - because it was built in 2000.

It is also important to remember that price is relative. As we get older, big prices for things (like a $70,000 pickup truck) just don't seem right.

In 1955, a Cessna 172 cost around $9000, which was almost three times the median household income at the time. Median household income now is around $55K (2015), which means a 172 should cost around $165K all things growing equally, but of course they are more than that. They are also a LOT more "relatively" equipped than a 1955 as even the low end model is luxury compared to the 1955.

I love classic airplanes, there is nothing I enjoy more than flying or flying in a piece of history. This website was created because I thought that the history and care of the super cub was not being properly curated (I am still not sure, but am still trying). We are super fortunate with the PA-18 that there are so many great companies supporting them with parts, and improving them with STC's. It would be tough to find another airplane with the kind of support it has.

We are also super fortunate that companies like CubCrafters, Legend, Aviat, etc are building new planes that fit the niche of the cub. This does NOT obsolete the old ones, but helps keep the doors open for all of us, and it is also the fastest growing segment of general aviation. We really need to support that, NOT discourage it.

Randy is correct that kids don't care what they are flying in, but we care about what our kids our flying in. I have seen classic aircraft - even this last week - that I would not put my kids in.

Classic airplanes require a team (unless you are one of these people yourself) to keep going. When you are new to aviation, you don't even know how to go about assembling the "team" that will care for your airplane and help you make decisions about what to do when, etc. Looking back, this was a huge hurdle for me. It was through this website that I met my most trusted advisers and technicians - and learned how to determine which ones were good, and not so good. There is no "dealer" to take your 1957 PA-18 to for support - like you do your $70K pickup.

So, my comments and reviews of "new" airplanes are because I think we all need to celebrate this as the natural progression for a healthy industry. If they stop building new airplanes, the support of old airplanes is going to be next on the short list.

sj
 
Well put, SJ! I heartily agree. As the leader of the band, so to speak, it really is your role to give reports/reviews like this. We appreciate this, and your leadership very much. My point was more of a rhetorical one, certainly not a put down to you. I was just stimulated to think, for a change...

Randy
 
I am not sure I can contribute much here - I have flown most versions of the Cub including highly modified Super Cubs. My one experience with the Carbon Cub was exhilarating - it really does go straight up when empty!

I am happiest in a wood prop J-3, and spend a portion of each and every day in one. The Carbon Cub is for those who have a quarter-million to invest in a hobby, and that sort of excludes me. But I think it is a superb airplane.

The heavier Super Cubs give me little satisfaction, but I really like the lightweight 160 HP version - the one with not enough wing ribs and very weak bungees, and 8:00 tires.

I have the best possible combination of airplanes at my disposal - two 85 HP J-3s, a Super Decathlon with full instruments and an ILS, and access to a Mooney 201 almost any time I want. And way too many model trains. And a Greek companion who looks like a Goddess - it does not get much better. Plus, I get to instruct in a very heavy Super Cub!

I have never been able to understand why primary instruction in our military does not start with a Cub. Right now, I understand the initial experience for the Air Force is to be the Cirrus!
 
The new variants seem to enhance the re sale value of our old timers, so I for one wish them every success. It's strange we haven't seen an up dated PA-12 Super Cruiser - I think someone pointed out there is one out there, can't recall the brand. Perhaps the rear side by side seating is too cosy for our times.
 
I just read all of the above posts and then went back to the picture. Just look at the smiles on the kids faces. We made their day and I would guess they (the kids) made ours. I got to fly a very nice young girl names Brenna, and her mom, dad and grandpa walked her down to the airplane so she could do the flour drop. The excitement she portrayed was great, and she told me her mom had given her permission to start flying lessons. Yep, the whole trip out was worth that short flight seeing her big smile. It's not about the airplane, but all about the kids. What an event, and to think initially there were very few signed up for the flour drop, until the kids starting coming forward. It didn't take long for a bunch of pilots to step forward and volunteer to fly these kids. I would bet they will remember that day for a long time. I know I had fun doing it. Larry v.
 
Classic airplanes require a team (unless you are one of these people yourself) to keep going. When you are new to aviation, you don't even know how to go about assembling the "team" that will care for your airplane and help you make decisions about what to do when, etc. Looking back, this was a huge hurdle for me. It was through this website that I met my most trusted advisers and technicians - and learned how to determine which ones were good, and not so good. There is no "dealer" to take your 1957 PA-18 to for support - like you do your $70K pickup.


sj


So true...
 
I asked the Cubcrafters guy at Oshkosh "how much" for the XCub as shown....he replied "about $320K" I make good money, but can't justify such a price....I understand why these things cost so much....I just can't afford one myself. I am glad there are people out there who can....it promotes innovation. I can afford to build my own Experimental and I am doing so (I got a project for a good price).....I look forward to being able to maintain, modify, and perform annuals myself. I will use little ideas I see on these new planes as well as following the innovation of other builders on this site. This approach is the only sustainable solution for an average Joe like me to continue my aviation addiction:smile:
 
You will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers!

I honestly dont want one of them.
 
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