Wing and elevator fabric change

[janboc]

My PA-18 is grouned - I need to change fabrics on wings and elevator.

I want to use Ceconite 102.

Can anyone list me all the components necessary and the quantities?

I found following info:
45 yards of Poly Fiber Medium fabric
6 rolls of 2" medium finishing tape
1 roll of 4" medium finishing tape
1 roll of rib lacing cord
2 rolls of 1/2" reinforcing tape
2 rolls of inter-rib bracing tape
1 roll of cloth anti-chafe tape
100 plastic or aluminum drain grommets
30 inspection rings
25 inspection ring covers
8 gallons of Poly Brush
1 gallon of Poly Tak
11 gallons of Poly Spray
5 Gallons of reducer
11 gallons of Poly-Tone color
but it's not for ceconite, for J3 and for the whole airplane :-( .

I preffer to buy everything in one place, the other problem I want all the items to be shipped to Europe.

 

[jay heil]

wing and elevater fabric change

heres a little quote that i copied and pasted from the poly fiber website about using ceconite fabric and polyfiber chemicals


How about using Ceconite fabric and Poly-Fiber chemicals?
>Even though this would work it is not legal. You must abide strictly by the STC. The Poly-Fiber STC does not allow Poly-Fiber chemicals to be placed on Ceconite fabric. When the STC is voided the aircraft is grounded

so in the U.S. you cant do that on a certified airplane anymore
heres where to get it

http://polyfiber.com/where/

call them for what you need and how to get it to your place

 

[janboc]

I don't want to buy polyfiber.... I just want to find the same specification for ceconite, but the only I found is polyfiber :roll:
I can be for whole airplane or fo wings and elevator only...

 

[Wingie]

Go to http://www.ceconite.com and near the bottom of that page you will find "Materials Estimates". Click on the little blue ball (all right, guys...) and I think this is what you are looking for.


okay, it seems that doesn't work anymore. Must be they want to SELL the Manual. You need it anyway.

 

[sekps]

I used envelopes on my L-18C but except for those this is roughly what I have used for wings and all tailfeathers:

Rand-O-Proof (nitrate), 5 gal
Nitrate Thinner, 5 gal
NT Clear Butyrate Dope, 10 gal
Butyrate Thinner, 10 gal
Universal Retarder, 2 gal
Rand-O-Bond, 2 qts.
Aluminium Paste, 2 cans
2" Pinked Ceconite Tape, 4 rls.
3" Pinked Ceconite Tape, 1 rl.
4" Pinked Ceconite Tape, 1 rl.
1/2" Reinforcing Tape, 2 rls.
Rib Lacing Cord, 1 rl.
Drain Grommets, 60 pcs
Inspection Rings, 20 pcs

It's too humid here right now so I'm still only at the silver but I guess 5 gal coloured butyrate, 5 gal butyrate thinner and 1 gal retarder will do for the final coats.

It's my first recovering project so I probably use more dope than I really need, but I'll spend the left-overs on my Volksplane project...

I buy everything I need from Arigo Teknik in Stockholm:
http://www.arigoteknik.se/english.htm

I get the Aircraft Spruce catalog prices but much cheaper shipping. They mainly sell to Scandinavian customers but I know they ship all over Europe. Give them a call!

/Mattias

 

[cruiser]

It is my understanding that Ceconite and Poly-fiber are now the same material. However to comply with the STC when Poly-fiber fabric is used Poly must be used to fill and finish and when using Ceconite fabric dope must be used to fill and finish. Go figure! Jim

 

[aalexander]

It is my understanding that Ceconite and Poly-fiber are now the same material. However to comply with the STC when Poly-fiber fabric is used Poly must be used to fill and finish and when using Ceconite fabric dope must be used to fill and finish. Go figure! Jim

I beleive that is true. I recently attended a Poly-fiber fabric clinic. The instructor said tht Poly-fiber cloth and Ceconite cloth are absolutely identical. made by the exact same manufacturer, comes off the exact same looms, the only difference is that when they are making polyfiber, the machine prints a "ployfiber" stamp on hte cloth, and when then are making Ceconite, the machine prints "ceconite" on the. no other difference, but, still it isn't lgal to mix the two.

 

[bob turner]

And the glue is now the same - You have to wonder when they will start putting two labels on things, to cut down inventory.

The experimental fabric is also identical, by the by, and is perfectly safe on things like the Christen Eagle, but not on Super Cubs!

 

[fobjob]

Before you go nuts....

How did you test your fabric? If it failed a Maule fabric punch test.....guess again, mine failed and it still breaks at 68lbs/inch by the pull test...which is the only test mentioned in 43.13....I think the Maule tester is designed to be "pessimistic" for liability reasons....