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Water Wings - INCREDIBLE STC for EDO 2000's!!!

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Water Wings - the next best thing to sliced bread, maybe even better than VG'S!!!!

Yesterday we finished installing the Water Wings STC on my EDO 2000's from Crosswinds STOL. I've owned N636P for 25 years now, so have a good feel of my plane. I have a 150 engine, and have had Alaska Hot Tips wing/aileron extensions with VG's on the leading edges for about 15 years.

I was told to expect 50% reduction in take-off time/distance on the water. Yeah, right.

It is LESS! It might be 50%, but it sure seems a lot less!

Today winds were 10-12, gusting 18-20, not terrible, but not calm. Any Cub should jump off the water.....but not like this!!!

I was only going to do 3-4 splash & dashes just to see how they handled, but I ended up flying over an hour. WHAT FUN!!! I found myself laughing out loud most of the time, like a kid with a new toy.

I never had a takeoff run more than 5 seconds.

My shortest was THREE SECONDS from hitting the throttle to airborne! (That's just after the engine finishes "spooling up!") I never would have believed it possible!!! (True, this short take-off was at the down-wind end of a large lake with some white caps.) Most of my time was in smaller protected bays without white caps, just some white streaks on the water, no white caps.

What they are: A 10-inch horizontal "fin" that attaches to the inside chine below the water line where the float changes dimensions at the step. It looks like a shark fin, but is horizontal, not unlike a gill fin on a fish. There is one on each inside chine. It is an airfoil, flat on the bottom and curved on the top.

Differences noted:

1. When hitting the throttle, the nose does not pitch up, but the plane stays in the "take-off" or "on the step" attitude. My first take off was on the narrow dimension of a lake into the 10-12+ kt wind. My first thought was that I wouldn't make it, because the nose didn't go up to get on the step for acceleration. My first instant thought was "What have I done! What a dog!" I was waiting, waiting for the pop up and to get up on the step and suddenly I was airborne!

2. My usual take-off routine is to hold the stick to one side, lifting one float out, then rolling back as the second float comes out . With the Water Wings, the first float is out of the water in 2-4 seconds every time!

3. Landings feel "firmer" without needing as much back pressure on the stick. I think the fins keep the plane from pitching forward when decelerating on the water.

4. It was too windy today to get a good feel for step turns, but I've heard there is much more control and less sliding feeling. Can't wait until the wind dies down to play with this!

5. The only negative comment is that the guys at Airways Aviation had to modify their lift-out dolly to get around hitting the inside fins.

I don't see the "Water Wings" on the Crosswinds website yet, but here is the website: http://www.crosswindsstol.com/

Thanks to Charlie Center for letting me be one of the first to try this new STC!

Glenn N636P (PA-18-150S)
Bemidji, MN



.....now if I could just put the Water Wings on the outside chine, too......does that mean I could get off in 25% the time/distance? Too bad the STC is for the inside only. (Docks/pillars would catch if they were on the outside.)
 
Wow. Sounds great. Crosswind should be able to sell the heck out of those. Hopefully the price will be realistic. I love it when innovations in the STOL world are made. It restores my faith general aviation.

Can't wait to hear more about this.
 
Dang Glen you were flying in that crap yesterday? I brought the Champ up to Moberg's yesterday morning and got tossed around in the air quite a bit on my way up there. Heck, I was holding on the the diagonal with one hand and the stick with the other. This was just after daybreak and I guess it did die down later.
Got the floats off and decided to leave the plane there and fly it home today. I was NOT about to try and get into my strip yesterday with nearly a direct 20KT crosswind. I should have stopped up and watched you before I removed my floats.
Keith
 
Glenn- Who needs a helicopter when you’ve got a Cub with these puppies?!! One of these weekends I need to try it out. We took the Cub off floats a couple weeks ago and sure has heck now I’ve got float envy. When are you taking yours off floats?

Lippy
:stupid
 
This is the first user report I've read about the modification. Charlie had it on display at the Airman's show in May, and had two planes there. He was pretty pumped up about the mod, and described the performance much as you have.

It makes you wonder what it will do for a J-3 on floats.

Eric
 
Haha, "Water Wings" made me laugh. The last time I heard of them I was learning to swim :P I saw them at the convention, but didn't know what to think. It will be interesting to see what the consensus is over time.
 
I've seen them and the only question I had was, how do you tie it up against a floating dock without wave and wake action knocking it off or bending it? (or coming alongside dock poles while sliding to a stop.) Other than that they look to cool for school. 8)
 
Yeah, I want'em!
Will they work in Canuck water?
How much, where, when?
 
When I saw them on Charlie Center's floats I was excited since they reminded me of the fins I put on the outboard, BUT

they would never fit on the rails of the float dolly

now maybe on the amphibs??? Thats where I need the help.

GR
 
After riding hydrofoil waterskis for 5+ years I need to say this...


If this is what I think it is...it is a great idea.

Just don't ever expect to take off in water with seaweed in it. You will get what is called "suck down". When this happens you essentially have negative lift.

Tim
 
Sounds too good to be true. Photos please.

How big are the fins? They would have to work around beaching gear, since I store the cub in a hanger and use the beaching gear for every flight.

M1
 
Cubus Maximus said:
I've seen them and the only question I had was, how do you tie it up against a floating dock without wave and wake action knocking it off or bending it? (or coming alongside dock poles while sliding to a stop.) Other than that they look to cool for school. 8)
I'm confused... you've seen them as it sounds being on the outside in harms way at the dock and the original post above says they are located on the "inside chine."
 
OC - somebody sent me a close up shot of them a few weeks ago. I didn't realize it's on the inside. (DUH!) If it's on the inside then disregard any qualms other than putting them on the float trailer. Will have to use a flatbed!


X_Wind_STOL_fin.jpg
 
Love the idea, it makes very good sense.

The issues of suck-down (that sucks) and the beaching gear would be solved if they were retractable. Yes, this would increase the complexity & price, but would make 'em a viable option for those of us who deal w/weeds & a beaching trailer.

Any of you guys who are too smart (but can't tie your shoes) have any ideas? (engineering) :)

This is a good/safe "retractable" idea, as if you forget to put 'em up/down, it won't matter much (as to killing yourself).
 
Watch out, after seeing the photo the injection molded plastic people in China might just spool up production. Might be available at our favorite Wal Mart soon.
 
Pretty neat looking installation and it looks like the HDPE (I assume) would be sacrificial in the event of an beach oops.

Kirby

Ps. Anyone remember the theme song from Flipper
 
I heard through the grapevine that charlie had another person help him out a little on the money side of things on the approval and he is trying to steal the whole thing from charlie. That sure sucks because charlie is a great guy with a large heart, he has always been more than helpful with me.
 
How far do they extend from the chine. Just wondering if I could get the plane out of the water with a normal lift.
 
36P's first post indicates there is an STC for these. First I've ever heard of it. It's proven technology on boats and lower units of outboards, and the theory is sound. Intuitively, it looks like it ought to work, and I would really like to find out more about them. If they're not on X-Winds site, where do we get some info on them?

Inquiring minds want to know !!

Jim
 
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