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n4873a
Registered User
Bozeman, Montana
The Alaska list is a good one and can be sent to you from the Alaska Airmen Association (alaskaairmen.com). That said, make sure you can reach it from your seat. It won't do you any good if it is in the baggage area and you are pinned into your seat from a crash. You don't need all of it, but you do need whatever is required to maintain 98.6F. You can live a long time if you can maintain your body heat.
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StewartB
Here's the required gear list.
http://www.bestglide.com/survival_equipment_requirements.htm
I also carry a small camp stove, water filter, rope, a small tarp or space blanket, hard candy, duct tape, baling wire, and a satellite phone. Much of my gear is packed into two MSR camp cooking pots and rides in a backpack.
I already would have had spare season-appropriate clothing and tools.
SB
http://www.bestglide.com/survival_equipment_requirements.htm
I also carry a small camp stove, water filter, rope, a small tarp or space blanket, hard candy, duct tape, baling wire, and a satellite phone. Much of my gear is packed into two MSR camp cooking pots and rides in a backpack.
I already would have had spare season-appropriate clothing and tools.
SB
CubCouper
Registered User
Sheridan WY
A couple years ago there were some long threads on this site on this topic that digressed into the best survival firearm, etc. Key of conversation was that your survival kit has to match the scenario you are going to survive in and you have to have a pre-thought out, reasoned, practiced approach to your survival tactics and skills. Season of the year, terrain, personal experience, etc., should all be considered in assembling your personal kit.
The basic "Rule of 3's" of survival is this:
You'll survive 3 hours without shelter,
3 days without water,
3 weeks without food.
To plan accordingly, remember that being warm and dry is critical to survival. Building a fire is an energy consuming task, but it is also a friend that will dry you, warm you, and perhaps most importantly, keep you in one place until your head clears (if you just crashed your favorite plane, you will need this!). Then you'll have time to think about water, catch fish, play Robinson Crusoe, etc.
On a long trip I will usually wear a safari vest to have the most essential items on my body (if the big kit sinks with the airplane, it won't be any use to you!). In the various pockets are my required stuff (AF/D, charts,...), my fun stuff (camera, ...), and the micro-survival kit: Leatherman, pinch-type flash light, space blanket, and a Altoids tin filled with matches, fish line, hooks, cable saw, signal mirror and sealed with tape.
On ALL trips there is a sleeping bag and a small gym bag in the back of the plane with a tie-down kit ("The Claw"), Wyoming Saw, Gerbers hatchet, Gerbers folding shovel, a couple bottles of water, and a wilderness first aid kit augmented with a Swiss army knike, rescue whistle, 2 space blankets, a signal mirror, Power Bars, and a couple lighters. I also carry a shaving-kit size bag with essential tools (6-way screwdriver, wrench set, pliers, vice grips, spare baterries, mini tape meaure) and a ziplock bag with airplane ditties (screw/bolt/nut assortment, safety wire, duct tape, rag, 14g automotive wire, etc.) just in case I need fix something minor out there. Total kit weighs in at around 21-22 pounds. The only time this kit leaves my airplane is when I take it with me in someone else's airplane. I sometimes throw in a firearm, but for Wyoming/Colorado survival it just is not a critical survival item. I figure if I can stay warm, fix me, and fix my plane, I stand a pretty good chance of surviving anything. This probably isn't my complete list and you should customize your list to match your area and skills.
Last but not least: don't skimp when purchasing this stuff! That cheap Campor shovel or blanket will seem OK when you're stocking a kit that you never expect to use, but the day you need it, you will want the best equipment available and your life may depend on it working perfectly and not breaking.
The basic "Rule of 3's" of survival is this:
You'll survive 3 hours without shelter,
3 days without water,
3 weeks without food.
To plan accordingly, remember that being warm and dry is critical to survival. Building a fire is an energy consuming task, but it is also a friend that will dry you, warm you, and perhaps most importantly, keep you in one place until your head clears (if you just crashed your favorite plane, you will need this!). Then you'll have time to think about water, catch fish, play Robinson Crusoe, etc.
On a long trip I will usually wear a safari vest to have the most essential items on my body (if the big kit sinks with the airplane, it won't be any use to you!). In the various pockets are my required stuff (AF/D, charts,...), my fun stuff (camera, ...), and the micro-survival kit: Leatherman, pinch-type flash light, space blanket, and a Altoids tin filled with matches, fish line, hooks, cable saw, signal mirror and sealed with tape.
On ALL trips there is a sleeping bag and a small gym bag in the back of the plane with a tie-down kit ("The Claw"), Wyoming Saw, Gerbers hatchet, Gerbers folding shovel, a couple bottles of water, and a wilderness first aid kit augmented with a Swiss army knike, rescue whistle, 2 space blankets, a signal mirror, Power Bars, and a couple lighters. I also carry a shaving-kit size bag with essential tools (6-way screwdriver, wrench set, pliers, vice grips, spare baterries, mini tape meaure) and a ziplock bag with airplane ditties (screw/bolt/nut assortment, safety wire, duct tape, rag, 14g automotive wire, etc.) just in case I need fix something minor out there. Total kit weighs in at around 21-22 pounds. The only time this kit leaves my airplane is when I take it with me in someone else's airplane. I sometimes throw in a firearm, but for Wyoming/Colorado survival it just is not a critical survival item. I figure if I can stay warm, fix me, and fix my plane, I stand a pretty good chance of surviving anything. This probably isn't my complete list and you should customize your list to match your area and skills.
Last but not least: don't skimp when purchasing this stuff! That cheap Campor shovel or blanket will seem OK when you're stocking a kit that you never expect to use, but the day you need it, you will want the best equipment available and your life may depend on it working perfectly and not breaking.
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StewartB
I still say a satellite phone is the best piece of survival equipment there is. It'll only work if you're conscious, though. But the same can be said for all the other stuff.
SB
SB
mvivion
FOUNDER
Bozeman,MT
Stewart,
Good point. Satellite phones, or in the lower 48, cellular phones work in a lot of places.
Think of survival gear in segments:
Knife: You need a good knife. Not a Swiss Army knife. A real knife, not a Crocodile Dundee knife.
Fire starters: You need at least two different means to start a fire. I like to have three--Blastmatch, match safe, with strike anywhere matches, and a butane lighter (all weather type).
Shelter materials: Carry a tent, some parachute material and parachute cord, or whatever materials you need to manufacture a shelter in the area over which you'll be flying.
You'll also need some sort of tools to help build your shelter. I like saws, as opposed to axes or hatchets. Axes and hatchets can be really dangerous if misused, which is easy to do in a survival situation. A hatchet is nice to have, but cut your wood with a saw.
First Aid materials: Think trauma, and long term comfort. Blood stopper bandages, burn pads, ace bandages, etc. and aspirin. There are other things you probably want to add, as well, but these are a couple of generic items.
Water collecting equipment: Some containers, something to melt snow in, or boil water in, and folding containers to store water in. Some folks carry water with them, a great idea, though heavy.
Water is much more important that food. Helen Klaben and Ralph Flores survived for 49 days in the Yukon in dead of winter with virtually no food. They lost weight, but survived. They did melt snow regularly for water, and kept themselves hydrated.
Firearms really aren't of much use in a survival situation, and NO, I am not an anti gun nut, thank you. They just aren't very useful as a tool.
Finally, signals: I don't like flares much because they only last for a few seconds, and they aren't a good daytime signal. Mirrors are one of the best signals there are. A cell phone or sat phone is wonderful, smoke signals are good, a laser light as Greatland Laser makes is great for night signaling.
That is a really basic list of what I'd carry. I also carry sleeping bags for each occupant, a sleeping pad for each occupant, and carry on my person the knife, the fire starters, and a couple of signaling devices at a minimum.
MTV
Good point. Satellite phones, or in the lower 48, cellular phones work in a lot of places.
Think of survival gear in segments:
Knife: You need a good knife. Not a Swiss Army knife. A real knife, not a Crocodile Dundee knife.
Fire starters: You need at least two different means to start a fire. I like to have three--Blastmatch, match safe, with strike anywhere matches, and a butane lighter (all weather type).
Shelter materials: Carry a tent, some parachute material and parachute cord, or whatever materials you need to manufacture a shelter in the area over which you'll be flying.
You'll also need some sort of tools to help build your shelter. I like saws, as opposed to axes or hatchets. Axes and hatchets can be really dangerous if misused, which is easy to do in a survival situation. A hatchet is nice to have, but cut your wood with a saw.
First Aid materials: Think trauma, and long term comfort. Blood stopper bandages, burn pads, ace bandages, etc. and aspirin. There are other things you probably want to add, as well, but these are a couple of generic items.
Water collecting equipment: Some containers, something to melt snow in, or boil water in, and folding containers to store water in. Some folks carry water with them, a great idea, though heavy.
Water is much more important that food. Helen Klaben and Ralph Flores survived for 49 days in the Yukon in dead of winter with virtually no food. They lost weight, but survived. They did melt snow regularly for water, and kept themselves hydrated.
Firearms really aren't of much use in a survival situation, and NO, I am not an anti gun nut, thank you. They just aren't very useful as a tool.
Finally, signals: I don't like flares much because they only last for a few seconds, and they aren't a good daytime signal. Mirrors are one of the best signals there are. A cell phone or sat phone is wonderful, smoke signals are good, a laser light as Greatland Laser makes is great for night signaling.
That is a really basic list of what I'd carry. I also carry sleeping bags for each occupant, a sleeping pad for each occupant, and carry on my person the knife, the fire starters, and a couple of signaling devices at a minimum.
MTV
irishfield
BENEFACTOR
Penetanguishene, Ontario Canada
Hate to do a sales pitch...but...one thing you should all be carrying is one of the Sure-Find Rocket Deployed Rescue streamer that I sell. Puts a florecent ribbon above the tree line for something for SAR to target on and includes a butane lighter and a space sleeping bag to crawl into to fend off Hypothermia. More information at www.irishfield.on.ca in products section, or send me a pm thru here or direct to oifa@irishfield.on.ca
Cheers,
Wayne
Cheers,
Wayne
-12 Flyer
GONE WEST
Anchorage AK
Many of us that fly in and out of Lake Hood (and I'm sure other lakes as well) wear an inflateable style fishing vest. A popular one is one that Stearns makes. Being that it is designed as a fishing vest, it has lots of pockets. There are certain things that I like to have on me, just in case. The tent, sleeping bags, etc. can all be stored in the baggage compartment, but if the aircraft separates, or for some other reason you can't get to the baggage compartment you should have certain thing on you. I suggest the minimals for survival and rescue. A strobe light, sea dye can be helpful, perhaps some type of flare (I use the 'pocket rocket'), a mirror, or other similar signaling devices. A small flashlight, good folding knife, a multi tool, a compass, fire starters, water proof matches AND a magnesium type fire starter, some small candles, a ring saw, and a water purifying kit round it out. I also try to stuff a wool balaclava, an orange hunters vest, and some 'flexible water'. Believe it or not all this WILL fit into a Stearns vest. The 'tools' i.e. knife, compass, mirror, flashlight, etc. should be tied into the vest with a long piece of string. This way, if you are floating in the water, freezing cold, hands numb, and you drop your knife, it can easily be retrieved. I believe that these basic survival and signaling tools should be on you, so that immediately upon exiting the aircraft, you have what you need on hand. A kit in the back of the airplane is good, but if your plane (and survival kit) is resting on the bottom of the lake, you'll want to have some of this stuff to get you through the night.
Bug Smasher
Registered User
Portland, OR
Something else that is important that CubCouper pointed is that if you have an ?issue? a survival kit under your camping gear is going to do very little, you need to be able to get it out fast, yet have it secure enough that it will not dislodge in a crash. I have my survival kit in a Camelback H.A.W.G. that works really well. It even has a bladder with 3 liters of water. I strap this into the back seat with my computer bag secured with the seatbelt. It is quickly accessible, yet secure. Be sure to carry a good length of rope, Cubs have a tendency to tip up and stay that way. You can?t reach the tail or get enough leverage on the rear step to get it back down, use your rope to throw it up over the tail and walk back, but be sure to catch the tail on the way down.
Bug Smasher
Registered User
Portland, OR
Also a note on the inflatable vests, you should be sure to bypass the auto-inflate feature. Having the vest inflate automatically inside an upside down airplane would hinder escape. There is usually a water soluble doughnut in there that is the trigger. The vest that I saw came with a plastic piece that could be swapped to prevent auto-inflation.
Bug Smasher
Registered User
Portland, OR
No i was lucky enough to watch someone who knew what they were doing before i had to do it myself.
A couple of points need to be mentioned.
First, leave out the aspirin, Use tylenol instead. Aspirin has a negative effect on blood clotting. If, post crash, you are cut or have an internal bleed, aspirin isn't your best choice if you prefer to live (or at least cut down on the mess).
Two, if you tie something to your body, make damn sure it comes out of the airplane with you. You really don't want to be tied to the wreckage, particularly if it is on fire, or sinking! I had to leave an upside down Fokker Triplane once. I didn't like the 30 gallons of 100LL in the broken fuel tank at my feet. When I crawled out from under the airplane and tried to stand up, the headset cord damn near broke my neck! I was wearing a David Clark cloth helmet and the plugs were at the wrong angle to pull out when I exited. Had the fuel flashed while I was trying to unplug the headset... fortunately for me, a bent airplane and a sore neck were the only lasting problems. Provided for a nice lesson though.
Speaking of headsets, if you leave in a hurry, it's liable to pull your glasses off. If you need them to see after you leave, you might want a band to hold them on your head!
First, leave out the aspirin, Use tylenol instead. Aspirin has a negative effect on blood clotting. If, post crash, you are cut or have an internal bleed, aspirin isn't your best choice if you prefer to live (or at least cut down on the mess).
Two, if you tie something to your body, make damn sure it comes out of the airplane with you. You really don't want to be tied to the wreckage, particularly if it is on fire, or sinking! I had to leave an upside down Fokker Triplane once. I didn't like the 30 gallons of 100LL in the broken fuel tank at my feet. When I crawled out from under the airplane and tried to stand up, the headset cord damn near broke my neck! I was wearing a David Clark cloth helmet and the plugs were at the wrong angle to pull out when I exited. Had the fuel flashed while I was trying to unplug the headset... fortunately for me, a bent airplane and a sore neck were the only lasting problems. Provided for a nice lesson though.
Speaking of headsets, if you leave in a hurry, it's liable to pull your glasses off. If you need them to see after you leave, you might want a band to hold them on your head!
Bug Smasher
Registered User
Portland, OR
Tom Jones has a good point with aspirin that I had never thought of. It is often taken by people with heart problems to thin blood, but I had never considered that that could hinder the healing. I will have to check what I have in my pack. Something else that is worth carrying is Super Glue. It can be used in applications where stitches would be used, and a medical version is being used in hospitals because it leaves less of a scar.
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StewartB
Who needs aspirin? Carry some whiskey. It's antiseptic and anesthetic.
SB
SB
JP
BENEFACTOR
The Big Woods of Maine
Well, it is that time of year again and I'm putting together the survival gear to go in a multi-pocket mesh vest. I decided to leave my other survival kit in the J-3 so Lunchbox can have something to do if he goes down somewhere in Florida this summer.
In any event, the exercise has given me an opportunity to upgrade and fine-tune my gear. The focus is on the basics and everthing has to go/fit in the vest. I will put some "extras" in the baggage compartment, but won't count on having them available. And the vest has to be wearable when flying.
I've tried to concentrate on the kind of flying I do, too, with regard to what is on me when flying. I live in a part of the world that is a real mix of population and absolute remoteness. Not on the scale of Alaska, mind you, but some serious territory where it will take a bit to get to you.
Where I grew up a couple of guys disappeared in a PA-12 on a local flight in 1957 (the weather was poor). They weren't found until the late 70s. They were about 15 minutes out of town going towards a mountainous area.
So, what am I planning to do this year?
First, I've purchased a PLB (personal locator beacon). Prices have really come down and they are very compact and probably a good investment. I figure I owe it to the kids as sole surviving spouse to be found fairly soon so we don't have to run up the babysitting fees while Dad is enjoying a brief vacation in the 100 mile wilderness.
Last summer an acquaintance went down on the side of a mountain. The ELT was destroyed on impact and it took almost two days to locate the crash site. So--assuming you get out of the plane--it makes sense to have a backup to the ELT. I remember reading somewhere that ELTs are notorious for failing. When I upgraded the ELT I got one with the voice transmit capability, too, so assuming it survives I'll have a backup to the ICOM.
Second, I'm upgrading my emergency strobe light to a more rugged military version converted for civilian use with lithium batteries. Less than 25 bucks for a really nice piece of equipment and piece of mind.
I'm also going to spend a bit more money for a better reflection blanket. Something far more durable than the unfold-and-use-once special that is in the J-3.
Perhaps when I'm done putting together the basics I'll post the contents I chose.
In any event, the exercise has given me an opportunity to upgrade and fine-tune my gear. The focus is on the basics and everthing has to go/fit in the vest. I will put some "extras" in the baggage compartment, but won't count on having them available. And the vest has to be wearable when flying.
I've tried to concentrate on the kind of flying I do, too, with regard to what is on me when flying. I live in a part of the world that is a real mix of population and absolute remoteness. Not on the scale of Alaska, mind you, but some serious territory where it will take a bit to get to you.
Where I grew up a couple of guys disappeared in a PA-12 on a local flight in 1957 (the weather was poor). They weren't found until the late 70s. They were about 15 minutes out of town going towards a mountainous area.
So, what am I planning to do this year?
First, I've purchased a PLB (personal locator beacon). Prices have really come down and they are very compact and probably a good investment. I figure I owe it to the kids as sole surviving spouse to be found fairly soon so we don't have to run up the babysitting fees while Dad is enjoying a brief vacation in the 100 mile wilderness.
Last summer an acquaintance went down on the side of a mountain. The ELT was destroyed on impact and it took almost two days to locate the crash site. So--assuming you get out of the plane--it makes sense to have a backup to the ELT. I remember reading somewhere that ELTs are notorious for failing. When I upgraded the ELT I got one with the voice transmit capability, too, so assuming it survives I'll have a backup to the ICOM.
Second, I'm upgrading my emergency strobe light to a more rugged military version converted for civilian use with lithium batteries. Less than 25 bucks for a really nice piece of equipment and piece of mind.
I'm also going to spend a bit more money for a better reflection blanket. Something far more durable than the unfold-and-use-once special that is in the J-3.
Perhaps when I'm done putting together the basics I'll post the contents I chose.
fobjob
MEMBER
Salt Lake City, Utah
If my years in the C.A.P. taught me anything, it's to have more than one ELT...I carry three. One is in my vest. And that's all just in case I land short of the runway and have to walk to my hanger.......ELT's work automatically about 60% of the time if you are good about keeping fresh batteries in them. A manual cockpit switch helps the odds, but they don't radiate worth spit when they sink or burn up with the aircraft.
WindOnHisNose
BENEFACTOR
Lino Lakes MN (MY18)
Some things from the wilderness medicine literature, and from the wilderness medicine lectures I give:
Heavy, 3 mil, contractor's size garbage bags are thought to be better than reflective blankets. In fact, it has been shown that it is very, very difficult to develop frostbite if your feet and hands are wrapped in plastic. The uses of these bags are, like duct tape, too numerous to mention. I keep four of the big one's in my aircraft.
Rule of 3's in surviving in a harsh environment:
3 hours without shelter
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
Keep your basic kit right with you. There is a pretty sad story of an experienced wilderness medicine physician who was an expert canoeist in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. He beached his canoe, carried his packs (including his survival pack) up a small hill to a great place to pitch his tent, walked back down to the water to secure his canoe...fell...fractured his hip...he was there for 3 days before they found him...he survived but it was baaaad.
Will to live. Important to demonstrate to ourselves, once in a while, that we can rough it and make it without some cush things. The psychological literature indicates that the will to live is perhaps the most important determinant for survival.
We would suggest assembling your survival kit with these thoughts in mind. I like what you have done thus far.
For what it's worth.
rsc
Heavy, 3 mil, contractor's size garbage bags are thought to be better than reflective blankets. In fact, it has been shown that it is very, very difficult to develop frostbite if your feet and hands are wrapped in plastic. The uses of these bags are, like duct tape, too numerous to mention. I keep four of the big one's in my aircraft.
Rule of 3's in surviving in a harsh environment:
3 hours without shelter
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
Keep your basic kit right with you. There is a pretty sad story of an experienced wilderness medicine physician who was an expert canoeist in the Boundary Waters Canoe Area. He beached his canoe, carried his packs (including his survival pack) up a small hill to a great place to pitch his tent, walked back down to the water to secure his canoe...fell...fractured his hip...he was there for 3 days before they found him...he survived but it was baaaad.
Will to live. Important to demonstrate to ourselves, once in a while, that we can rough it and make it without some cush things. The psychological literature indicates that the will to live is perhaps the most important determinant for survival.
We would suggest assembling your survival kit with these thoughts in mind. I like what you have done thus far.
For what it's worth.
rsc
Jerry Gaston
Registered User
Bozeman, Montana
I purchased a fishing vest that is made of webbing and has lots of small pockets and places to store thing . It hangs on the back on my seat where I can put it on before I seat belt in. Along with that I carry a light weight shoulder holster with the new light weight pistol. After using it for several flights I don't even know it is there but I do look like an A-10 pilot over Iraq.
Mauleguy
Registered User
Camping or Surviving
I had a lot more in my kit until I started looking at it from this point of view. I went back to my kit and took out half the weight after asking the question: Camping or Surviving!
Rule of 3's in surviving in a harsh environment:
3 hours without shelter
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
I had a lot more in my kit until I started looking at it from this point of view. I went back to my kit and took out half the weight after asking the question: Camping or Surviving!
Rule of 3's in surviving in a harsh environment:
3 hours without shelter
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
JP
BENEFACTOR
The Big Woods of Maine
I've gone the fishing vest route--found a very nice cotton one with the mesh and perfect pockets. Troutlet.com had a nice selection and prices and no State of Maine sales tax (taxes seem to be the favorite sport of our governor...) I'm going to look like an A-10 pilot over Iraq, which is not a bad description of how I fly when we're "disrupting" friends' BBQs....
I'm still looking for a smaller flask that will fit. :lol:
Randle brings up a great point-will to live. If you want to read an amazing and inspiring story, obtain a copy of "Lost on a mountain in Maine", the story of Donn Fendler. It will become one of your favorite books, and that of your kids, too. It is an incredible story and it happened where I grew up.
I'm still looking for a smaller flask that will fit. :lol:
Randle brings up a great point-will to live. If you want to read an amazing and inspiring story, obtain a copy of "Lost on a mountain in Maine", the story of Donn Fendler. It will become one of your favorite books, and that of your kids, too. It is an incredible story and it happened where I grew up.
WindOnHisNose
BENEFACTOR
Lino Lakes MN (MY18)
OK, here is a terrific book about survival.
"Deep Survival", by Laurence Gonzales
Inspired by the survival of his father, a B17 pilot in WWII, this author has put together a number of experiences gleaned from research on the topic.
I am afraid, from my research, that our kids may have a real problem with developing this. Many don't have the chance to experience challenging conditions. An example of this is the fact that in today's world we don't encourage our kids to "play with matches." In preparing for a presentation on survival techniques for starting a fire I asked my 14 year old son's friend to light a match, while I photographed him. He went through several matches, in a no-wind, dry spot in my garage, with no luck in lighting the match. I had to show him how to do it and it struck me that many kids can't light a match.
There were a number of instances in WWII of soldiers stranded behind enemy lines who survived for a few weeks, evading detection, but who walked right into enemy camps because they could not stand being alone. It has been shown that the fear of being alone can induce panic and irrational behavior, and this is something that our kids really have a handicap with...they rarely get the chance to be alone, and it is frightening to them, and to adults, as well.
Anyway, the book I mentioned is a good read, and pretty helpful.
rsc
"Deep Survival", by Laurence Gonzales
Inspired by the survival of his father, a B17 pilot in WWII, this author has put together a number of experiences gleaned from research on the topic.
I am afraid, from my research, that our kids may have a real problem with developing this. Many don't have the chance to experience challenging conditions. An example of this is the fact that in today's world we don't encourage our kids to "play with matches." In preparing for a presentation on survival techniques for starting a fire I asked my 14 year old son's friend to light a match, while I photographed him. He went through several matches, in a no-wind, dry spot in my garage, with no luck in lighting the match. I had to show him how to do it and it struck me that many kids can't light a match.
There were a number of instances in WWII of soldiers stranded behind enemy lines who survived for a few weeks, evading detection, but who walked right into enemy camps because they could not stand being alone. It has been shown that the fear of being alone can induce panic and irrational behavior, and this is something that our kids really have a handicap with...they rarely get the chance to be alone, and it is frightening to them, and to adults, as well.
Anyway, the book I mentioned is a good read, and pretty helpful.
rsc
S
StewartB
For those of you coming to Anchorage for the trade show, make an effort to go to Eagle Enterprises. It's less than two miles from the airport, and is a great store for survival equipment.
They have an extra-tough duty space blanket material made into a body bag with a zipper. Vacuum packed, it gets pretty small. Give me one of those, a good knife, some parachute cord, and some waterproof matches, and I could be safe and sound for quite a while.
There'll be the same guy selling the water bottles with the filter at the show, too. You know, the guy that drinks the water from the scum tank. Buy one of those, too. I was hunting with a friend a couple of years ago. We collected some water from a pristine stream. He got sick. I didn't. That was worth ten bucks.
A Super Leatherman should be required equipment on every pilot's belt.
If you take your kids flying with you, they may survive a crash that you won't. Teach them how to stay alive. No kidding. If you don't, who will?
SB
They have an extra-tough duty space blanket material made into a body bag with a zipper. Vacuum packed, it gets pretty small. Give me one of those, a good knife, some parachute cord, and some waterproof matches, and I could be safe and sound for quite a while.
There'll be the same guy selling the water bottles with the filter at the show, too. You know, the guy that drinks the water from the scum tank. Buy one of those, too. I was hunting with a friend a couple of years ago. We collected some water from a pristine stream. He got sick. I didn't. That was worth ten bucks.
A Super Leatherman should be required equipment on every pilot's belt.
If you take your kids flying with you, they may survive a crash that you won't. Teach them how to stay alive. No kidding. If you don't, who will?
SB
JP
BENEFACTOR
The Big Woods of Maine
randlecorfman said:
I'll have to give that a read. You would enjoy "20,000 to 1", by Quentin Reynolds. It's the true story of Lieutenant Gordon Manual, who survived on an island near Rabaul for nine months. He attributed his survival to having grown up as a sportsman in Maine. The Japanese spent a lot of time trying to find him and failed.
Good points about our children. It's up to us, folks. Pass along the skills.
