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smaller, lighter, suggestions on panel stuffs
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Darrel Starr
Registered User
Plymouth, MN
Glad you like it -- fun, fun, fun.
aktango58
FRIEND
18AA
Thank you!
I am trying to get permission to put a Carbon Fiber dash on, and was looking at how to put it together to the boot cowl. I will probably skip the glare shield and use your connection idea, but have that little gap, or just have the boot cowl terminate as the edge.
I love your ideas... With all the info and experience around here I don't need any new ideas!
I am trying to get permission to put a Carbon Fiber dash on, and was looking at how to put it together to the boot cowl. I will probably skip the glare shield and use your connection idea, but have that little gap, or just have the boot cowl terminate as the edge.
I love your ideas... With all the info and experience around here I don't need any new ideas!
Darrel Starr
Registered User
Plymouth, MN
Another way to finish that boot cowl-to-panel seam so you aren't looking at the raw edge of the boot cowl, is to have some windlace made up. Any upholstery shop can do it. They wrap a "windlace cord" in a piece of Vinyl leaving a long tail. Slide the tail in between the boot cowl and the panel (between the underside of the boot cowl and the right angle brackets on the panel). Then you will be looking at a nice soft round piece of Vinyl covering the leading raw edge of the boot cowl, should work out well.
http://www.stockinteriors.com/Windl...kw={keyword}&gclid=CIO--92QwbQCFYs7MgodOnwA0Q
http://www.stockinteriors.com/Windl...kw={keyword}&gclid=CIO--92QwbQCFYs7MgodOnwA0Q
WEIGHT SAVINGS INSTRUMENTS
Removed Old school OP, OT, Tach, T/C, ammeter and single CHT weighing in aggregate 4# 5oz.
Added EI CGR30P (Tach, fuel flow, OP, OT, 4cyl CHT/EGT, amps, volts and a host of other things on second page) and RC Allen 2600 digital horizon, aggregate weight 2#9oz.
Weight savings equals 1#12oz. Of course I now have much more information than I had before, notably the 4 cyl monitor, attitude indicator, and fuel flow.
This is super fun, thanks for all the ideas and advice here.
Removed Old school OP, OT, Tach, T/C, ammeter and single CHT weighing in aggregate 4# 5oz.
Added EI CGR30P (Tach, fuel flow, OP, OT, 4cyl CHT/EGT, amps, volts and a host of other things on second page) and RC Allen 2600 digital horizon, aggregate weight 2#9oz.
Weight savings equals 1#12oz. Of course I now have much more information than I had before, notably the 4 cyl monitor, attitude indicator, and fuel flow.
This is super fun, thanks for all the ideas and advice here.
Steve Pierce
BENEFACTOR
Graham, TX
I have installed 2 Electronics International CGR30Ps engine instruments latley with another one on order. Nice unit with all the needed information in one place that is easy to read.
courierguy
MEMBER
Inkom, Idaho
I just installed a GRT Mini in a new carbon graphite panel in my Rans. The Mini is intuitive to operate and easy to use. I yanked my old style ASI, VSI, and altimeter, the only round instruments are the hobbs meter and the MGL V6 radio. No show plane panel, just something cobbled together from parts of my old 1500 hr panel, in a few days and without any waiting for parts from Spruce or anyone else, I worked with what I had on hand.
This pretty much completes my weight loss program that started with the little Earth X battery replacing the Odyssey (and being re positioned on the floorboards right against the firewall, near the new mechanical master switch), yanking the VAL 760 radio and it's tray (great com radio, but I saved over 3 lbs plus gained under panel room by going with the MGL). The GRT EIS 2000 has an idiot light, and the parameters are easily (even in flight) set so that as long as the light glows steady all is good, when it flashes you have a problem. It's up to you to be as pessimistic or optimistic as you want when you set those parameters. Even though I tried real hard to keep it as simple as possible, I still have much more capability with these new gizmos. Like an artificial horizon for hells sake, never had or used one before and got along fine without it but I have one now. Fuel flow/pressure, another GPS and many more goodies no doubt I have yet to discover are all added with the Mini and the EIS. The panel layout is so simple, just a few big holes! No more hand notching that damn bump out for the altimeter, you know the one I mean if you have ever hand fit one.
I hesitate to post this picture, it wasn't done yet, and I used stuff I had laying around so a few mis matched switches, and some exposed yet to be tidied up wiring runs, not to mention labeling, but you want simple and light, it is that. I have started to tie down the plane down even in the hangar, after losing around 20 lbs, most of it slightly ahead of the CG. Now if I can just come up with a good excuse to rip off all the poly fiber and re do with Oratex, and lose the 'glas cowls and re do with carbon, I could drop another 20 or 30 lbs., and get the empty weight below the magical 700 lbs point. A good crash and subsequent major rebuild would allow that, but so far no luck.
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This pretty much completes my weight loss program that started with the little Earth X battery replacing the Odyssey (and being re positioned on the floorboards right against the firewall, near the new mechanical master switch), yanking the VAL 760 radio and it's tray (great com radio, but I saved over 3 lbs plus gained under panel room by going with the MGL). The GRT EIS 2000 has an idiot light, and the parameters are easily (even in flight) set so that as long as the light glows steady all is good, when it flashes you have a problem. It's up to you to be as pessimistic or optimistic as you want when you set those parameters. Even though I tried real hard to keep it as simple as possible, I still have much more capability with these new gizmos. Like an artificial horizon for hells sake, never had or used one before and got along fine without it but I have one now. Fuel flow/pressure, another GPS and many more goodies no doubt I have yet to discover are all added with the Mini and the EIS. The panel layout is so simple, just a few big holes! No more hand notching that damn bump out for the altimeter, you know the one I mean if you have ever hand fit one.
I hesitate to post this picture, it wasn't done yet, and I used stuff I had laying around so a few mis matched switches, and some exposed yet to be tidied up wiring runs, not to mention labeling, but you want simple and light, it is that. I have started to tie down the plane down even in the hangar, after losing around 20 lbs, most of it slightly ahead of the CG. Now if I can just come up with a good excuse to rip off all the poly fiber and re do with Oratex, and lose the 'glas cowls and re do with carbon, I could drop another 20 or 30 lbs., and get the empty weight below the magical 700 lbs point. A good crash and subsequent major rebuild would allow that, but so far no luck.
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supercub1999
Registered User
How do you like that small VSI? Looking at buying one to replace a normal size VSI after changing my panel around and losing the 3.125 hole the VSI was in.
cubdriver2
FRIEND
upstate NY
Why not just watch the Alt numbers on your GPS go up or down and save weight and panel space?
Glenn
SchulerJL
BENEFACTOR
Peoria, Illinois
For Comm and Transponder and intercom I have Trig TT21 and a TY91 - very small and work great! https://www.trig-avionics.com/products/
supercub1999
Registered User
Thanks guys, I really need the needle on my takeoff, I like to see exactly what is going on. The digital stuff is nice but having a regular VSI with a needle is what my eyes are used to.
Steve Pierce
BENEFACTOR
Graham, TX
Get the TT22 transponder if you intend to make it ADSB compliant later. Just installed my first ADSB unit to the TT22, easy install once you figure out that most of the wiring on the ADSB unit isn't used and a third party has the STC and other associated hardware for the installation.
I know it's digital but try a Garmin 796 and 496 (all I've had) both have a really easy to read digital vertical speed overlay that is really handy. Works great in climb or decent and is super for fine tuning trim in cruise well that is until your passenger leans up to see what you're doing then sits back when they realize it isn't all that interesting.
courierguy
MEMBER
Inkom, Idaho
When I got rid of my round steam gauges on my Rans S-7S, that also included the 3 1/4" VSI. As an old hang glider pilot who still does dead stick ridge soaring a few hours a year, this was not an easy decision. I'm happy to report that the transition to the digital representation of the GRT MINI flight display was painless and intuitive, and I'd never go back. Besides being lighter and freeing up panel space, it is also as sensitive as the old style VSI, a win/win.
supercub1999
Registered User
Do you have your GRT mini piped into your static or is the vsi tape showing gps vs?
courierguy
MEMBER
Inkom, Idaho
It is indeed plumbed into the static, probably why it's sensitive as it is.
The only way,and no nose heavy cub either,
courierguy
MEMBER
Inkom, Idaho
My GRT is held in the panel with 4 screws, threaded directly into the carbon fiber, tried it just to see what would happen, that was over 1,000 hrs. ago so I saved a little weight there in nutplates or whatever. Another good thing about these solid state displays, is when you take one out you now have a big dandy access hole to reach in there and do what needs doing. No more standing on my head under the panel for me.
