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Small hotrod caliber cartridges

Cub Special Ed

Cub Special Ed

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Time for me to start thinkin about a new rifle. I am wondering about 6.5mm and under. Im not interested in .17's. Where i would prefer this discussion to go is .224 up to 6.5mm. Creedmore and grendel are out for me (i just dont like them and im not a band-wagoner). I want a flat shooting all-around round. Mabe flat enough for prarie dogs, coyotes, or target? Ive got a 243 a-bolt ive tried 58gr in. Needs more experimenting. Im very interested in the 22-250 or 260 rem. Im looking for something some what odd, but has bullet availability. Please dont fight with each other, we all have our own preferences, only difference is, i want to hear yours and why (mpbr, bc, mv, moa, ect..) I look forward to hearing the multitude of expertise. P.s. keep it in lame-mans terms so i can comprehend. Thanks folks.
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Here’s one to think about. I just finished a mid-range match today up here in Anchorage. I use ac 6XC cartridge, with a 107 Sierra Matchking. The wind was gusting to around 30-35, and fishtailing. 300,500, and 600 yds. Easy, comfortable, and minimum wind deflection. It will go 1000 yds, if you can. It is the predecessor to the 6mm Creedmore-0.020 in. difference in case lenght. With this being said, and you have a .243, stick with that and experiment with the heavier bullets.
 
I love my 6mm on a 98 action, 87gr hpbt. Good on chucks and deer 300yrds +.

Glenn
 
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In the natural world, there are generalists like sharks that have survived unchanged for tens of millions of years. Nothing beats a 30-06 as a generalist rifle. For any on particular purpose (i.e. prairie dogs) it's true that there will be a better specialist caliber. 30-06 bullets are inexpensive, available everywhere with different bullet weights for different purposes and that will never change in our lifetime. There are dozens of models to choose from. Because it is viewed as commonplace, it tends to be under-rated by people who are passionate about guns, but the most accurate gun I own is a 30-06.

You might consider a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06 springfield. It weighs 7 pounds without a scope.

https://www.gunbroker.com/Rifles/search?Keywords=30-06 winchester featherweight&Sort=13

Or, outside of the 30-06 box, a closely related Winchester Coyote Light in .308 Win - it also comes as a suppressor ready "SR" model - http://www.winchesterguns.com/produ...urrent-Products/model-70-coyote-light-sr.html

No fighting? On a thread about guns? I am new to Supercub.org, but that seems to be asking too much!!
 
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I know you said you are not interested in a Creedmore but last year I was introduced to a very interesting combination. I do not recall the details to the tiny fraction but this on was built on the AR15 frame, not the larger AR10. His build uses a 6.5 215grain bullet in the small cartridge, very little power used. The gun is built with an 8" barrel and a very generous suppressor. It shoots flat, long and accurate with just an 800FPS out of the barrel. One does not have any need for ear protection with this. Yes he has his share of tax stamps in this build but it is the most impressive rifle I have handled. The trigger alone is more expensive than any gun I currently have, but it is interesting.
 
My two favorite fun guns are a 22-250 for varmints/pests, and a 6mm for coyotes and larger. Both on 700 actions. I had the 22-250 built, and used a Lilja 3 groove barrel. It's crazy accurate.
 
All great ideas. Keep them comin. I do have 3006. Put lots of meat in freezer over the years. Im checkin on each caliber as you folks are suggesting them. Has anyone had exposure to the .224 valkyrie? Is it just an ar15 thing? Looks like it has potential. Thanks
 
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I love the 22/250 but check out the balistics of the 204 Ruger. I have a couple ARs in that caliber. It will reach out to 22-250 ranges and check out the energy compared to the 22-250 at 400 yards.Shoots fast flat and bucks the wind pretty well. Whats really nice is almost no recoil, you see the bullet impact. 204 is kinda perfect varmint round


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I had always heard 204's were effected prety bad by wind which is why i stayed away from them. Mabe ill take another look.
 
I've had a M77 Ruger .204 for 10 years now and love its performance. At time of introduction it was the fastest off the shelf cartridge available, over 4000 MV with the 32 grain Hornady factory ammo. That said, it tended to loose accuracy after 20 shots or so that I theorize was due to copper fouling in the barrel. The 40 grain bullet at around 3900 MV would stay accurate much longer. 300 yard shots at sage rats in SE Oregon were amazing. Coyotes to 400 yds were also easy shots. I put a 6 x 20 scope on it. I'm hoping to have the opportunity to hunt wolves with it one of these days. I shot a sitting bobcat in the sternum and could not find the entry hole until I skinned it. There was no exit hole and its chest cavity was a MESS! Its a killer round.

Mike
 
"Lame-mans terms":

depends on the mission, I have heavy barrel 22-250 bolt that used to love for squirrels and coyotes, haven't touched it since I was talked into .223 on a similar platform. (my diehard .204 buddies unfriended me on account of the bark of my 22-250). Half the noise, fraction of the recoil, and l ill admit it, a hot barrel morning of ground squirrels, less recoil, less flinch factor, better accuracy.
I dont reload, don't want to go down that rabbit hole. Lots of over the counter loads avail to experiment with in 223. (Stay away from the really cheap stuff)
A good "lame-mans" caliber and cheap to shoot. Good out to 250yd + on squirrels. I've taken several blacktail deer with an Encore chambered in .223 64gr loads
 
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I love my savage 110 bolt 30-06 loaded with 125 ballistic tip hand loads 3000 fps it will shoot more accurate than me every time :smile: great coyote gun. I've shot chucks to 230 yards with my savage a-17 so don't discount that caliber for small stuff.
 
For me, the .22-250 is hard to beat. Its a versatile round and shoots very flat. I’ve owned it in a Rem 700, Browning lever action, and Savage Model 10.

The Model 10 is my favorite. It loves the Hornady Superformance 50gr. As a totally unmodified, factory gun, it’ll shoot factory ammo right in there with all of my buddies custom stuff and precision hand loads. It’s a fantastic package of economy, availability, simplicity, and accuracy.

I have other comparable small caliber rifles....17, 204, .223, .243, but I have the most confidence in the .22-250.
 
What kind of range are you looking for? A 22-250, or if you reload, a 22-250 Ackley Improved, is pretty tough to beat. If you're wanting to reach out a bit more, the heavier, high BC bullets out of your 243 would do awfully good... If you're wanting something a little out of the ordinary, look into a 6mm Competition Match. It's basically a souped up .243, and has great barrel life (3000-4000 roubds). Mine shoots 105gr AMax's @ 3300 fps out of a 24" barrel. 3400 fps is doable with a longer tube. Chad Dixon, in Sturgis (longriflesinc.com), built mine, and I was skeptical at first, but it's living up to be just as good as he claimed it would be. Sub-moa groups are the norm out to 1200 yards.
 
Ill have to stop in next time i have some spraying in sturgis. Been kind of interested in goin ackley on my 280 xbolt medallion also.
 
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If you do a ton of shooting and only shoot 'store bought', not reloads a 223 is a pretty decent choice. Some years back it seems there was a huge difference in some of the hotrod rounds and a 223, But the newer factory loads in 223 are pretty decent performers over what I remember from years ago.
You can get great deals on storebought by buying 1000's of rounds at a time in a 223...maybe the best 'bang for you buck'.
 
The 250-3000 has been mentioned a couple of times. Great all around round. I'd also recommend the 6.5mm Swede. Neither of these rounds have a lot of glamour anymore but they both have excellent ballistics and can be loaded way up or way down in bullet weights, to suit the application. They've been used for everything from prairie dogs to moose, although I'd limit the large stuff to white tail size. I don't know about the 250-3000 but the Swede has been used in target rifles so you know it has inherent accuracy.

Low recoil and you can by ammo in the store if you don't feel like reloading.

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Ive got a savage edge in 223. Best upgrade to that has been timney trigger. I think theres a place in sturgis that does custom stocks? Mabe i should do that on 223 + bedding? Its prety accurate now with a friends reloads. Guns are like cubs. They started out almost perfect but we are always wanting just a little better performance.
 
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Haven’t you heard retro is in. 222 Remington on a heavy barreled Sako is my go to. Ground hogs, beavers, coyotes to prairie poodles out to 450 yards when the winds right all with Federal priemum and since it doesn’t jump you get to see it all through the scope.
 
the .224 Val. is getting the popularity the 6.5 creedmore has due to the long range accuracy and popularity with the general public to do long range shooting.

Why shy from what works? I originally did not consider a Creedmore, but seeing the competition 1000 yard shooters embrace it, and availability of ammo makes a guy think
 
You might want to look at a 6.5 x 300 Weatherby. My father put one together as a wildcat and ammunition was more of a challenge but I see that Weatherby now makes the rifle and the ammunition.

40 years ago I shot a deer in the neck at 100 yards. It made a complete somersault and landed dead. It wasted a bit more meat than I would have liked. A head shot would've solved the problem.
 
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Haven’t you heard retro is in. 222 Remington on a heavy barreled Sako is my go to. Ground hogs, beavers, coyotes to prairie poodles out to 450 yards when the winds right all with Federal priemum and since it doesn’t jump you get to see it all through the scope.
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Always liked that gun. Friend had one when we were in hi-school. I've got a 788 in 222 that shoots real fine!!

Probably even further retro, but I had a 30-30 rebarreled to 219 zipper and gave it to a friend as a saddle gun to shoot coyotes when he was riding. I have a Winchester 64 in 219 zipper.
 
I’ve had a deadly 222 Mag. Sold it a few years ago. Just didn’t shoot prairie dogs like I used to. I kept my 22/250 improved. It screams. Don’t shoot it much either anymore. Just coyotes off the back porch. I’m into the AR stuff. Suppressed is sure easier on the hearing. 5.56 supersonic, 300 Blackout and 308. Don’t like the slow subsonic stuff.


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