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Removing Rear Stick for Young PAX

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Considering removing the rear stick to take my toddler son flying.

Good idea? Bad idea?

Difficult? Legal?

Here is a pick of my setup. One thing I am unsure of is if that PTT will have a disconnect in the tube- doubt it.

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I had one of my dogs decide the rear stick was a stick. Grabbed on and gave it a good shake. It was removed and an A Dodge cover installed. A youngster is capable of fussing with anything of interest. Choose wisely. They have feet that do things too so inform on the rear brakes and pedals. And get Wireweinie to recommend a quick disconnect for that rear PTT.

Gary
 
My rear stick has never been installed. A stick cover is more about preventing cargo from jamming the stick, or there’s the passenger’s “family jewels” as told by Atlee. A toddler’s feet may be a minor nuisance but not much danger.
 
I took my grandson for a flight and he somehow got his foot wedged at the bottom of the stick, preventing me from moving it to the right. Removing the stick and installing a cover on my (experimental) FX-3 is easy, and these days I only reinstall the stick when I know there will be a passenger that could be trusted to responsibly use it. Scott
 
Small bucket with notches in top to go over tube. Fits tight, does not interfere with stick stub and really doesn’t need the bungee that I have in the pics. Best of all it gives the pax a place to put their bag for ease of access. Sometimes the bucket comes in handy while camping, clam digging or beach combing. Like how sturdy it is for piling cargo on as well.
 

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Legal? If not, just about every Cub operator will be in trouble….

Remove it, and cover the stub. Atlees plastic cover works, or fab one up out of aluminum.

MTV
 
Bucket's (~2 gallon, test) or AD's stick cover are good for throwing water on floatplane wings when iced up in the late Fall. And can haul fuel or move it from one wing to another (with funnel) if one drain line's plugged with ice. Done it B4.

And please remove or cover the rear throttle if not needed. Hit that a few times with my elbow, and another dog thought it was a ball and gave a pull.

Gary
 
I’d be more concerned with the rear seat throttle. Little hands are plenty strong enough to push or pull that little lever at the wrong time.
 
^^^^Takes time. Some of us are riding the wave to shore. You're still heading out to sea. Have fun and thanks for starting the conversation.

Gary
 
stewartb said:
I’d be more concerned with the rear seat throttle. Little hands are plenty strong enough to push or pull that little lever at the wrong time.
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Been there done that, since then I keep a hand on it or close and "require hands in your lap: when taking off or landing.
 
OLDCROWE said:
Been there done that, since then I keep a hand on it or close and "require hands in your lap: when taking off or landing.
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People tend to grab at the nearest thing when nervous. I was taught hands on shoulder harness. The idea being that, if already holding something, one just grips it tighter. That works well for fixed harness but could be hazardous with non-locking inertial shoulder harness (tendency to extend harness and make it ineffective in a crash).
 
I've had WAY more adults try to kill me in airplanes than kids. In fact, I can't think of kid that ever caused a problem (kid being defined as someone under 18...). Brief the "no touchy" stuff and you should be fine. I've had many kids reluctant to take the controls even when offered.

sj
 
BC12D-4-85 said:
If it wasn't for Cardiff we'd assume everybody knew that. Keep the questions coming.

Gary
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100% agree on this. I appreciate your willingness to ask for advice and all the "extras" that come along with it :lol:

sj
 
I want to keep the rear stick because it's sometimes fun for passengers, but I do have a problem with it. Bet I'm not the only one with this issue and there may be some new owners reading this who don't KNOW they have the issue.

When my front seat is positioned all the way back, it keeps the both sticks from going all the way forward, because they are linked. Especially when there's a lot of stuff in the pocket on the back of the seat. Pushing the stick all the way forward doesn't happen very often at all during actual flight and I actually noticed it on the ground after about a year or two of owning the plane. I made a placard with a label maker that says "Pull Seat All The Way Forward" and it keeps me out of trouble.
 
Hate to be the guy that points out the exact same problem on full up travel, depending on passenger, but a reality. A favorite phrase ‘suck it in’ seems to help, and they’re usually very quiet too trying to hold their breath.
 
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Considering removing the rear stick to take my toddler son flying.

Good idea? Bad idea?
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FROM EXPERIENCE...

RE: Car Seats....

PLEASE be sure to check control movements before putting a car seat in the airplane. I put my daughter in the back seat a long time ago, in a different airplane and I was so excitd to take her flying that I was in a hurry. THANK GOD I realized I was rushing and took extra time in the runup area to make sure EVERYTHING was good. IT WASN'T. I could not get Full aft and you need it in the airplane I was flying or you'll hit really hard on landing. I am so glad I slowed down and took extra time. I taxied back to the hangar and called it for the day. She was none the wiser... To her, we went flying and thats what mattered. We eventually did a lot of flying in several airplanes. She never caught the bug and I'm dropping her off at college as we speak.

Good luck. It goes FAST...
 
A rear seat PTT can be useful, but I’d mount it in the left wing root, or…..not on the rear stick, for several reasons.

MTV
 
Hard to see in the picture, but the push to talk is behind the rear throttle.

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Put the PTT in the throttle ball, and it won't care where the stick is.

Take care,
Rob
 
Rob said:
Put the PTT in the throttle ball, and it won't care where the stick is.
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Isn't that where the TOGA switch belongs?

I want my rear seat safety pilot to have trim, PTT, and AP disconnect. Don't have the AP disconnect yet but I set the servo authority so, in an emergency, the AP can be overpowered without excessive sick force.

Maybe one day I'll have HOTAS but, for now, rear seat PTT is on the wing root panel and trim on the stick.
 
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