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Re Register your Plane!!

mexcattle1

Registered User
St Jo MO
Any body hear about this yet!

Re-Registration and Renewal of Aircraft Registration
This Final Rule was published in the Federal Register on July 20, 2010, Page 41968. All changes established by this rule are effective October 1, 2010. This rule establishes specific registration expiration dates over a three-year period for all aircraft registered before October 1, 2010, and requires re-registration of those aircraft according to a specific schedule. All aircraft registrations issued on or after October 1, 2010, will be good for three years with the expiration date clearly shown.
 
Yep, the FAA has been trying to spread the word. They claim this is the result of TSA pushing them. Maybe. In any case, it's a done deal, so you NEED to check the date your airplane was registered. If it's MARCH of any year, you'd best be getting with the program.

The penalties for failing to comply are that you lose your registration number for FIVE YEARS. That means you either don't use the airplane for five years, then say pretty please can I have my old number back, or you change the tail number, and paint scheme.

MTV
 
I registered mine about a year ago. I hope they send out reminders to re-register when the date comes up. You can go to faa.gov and do an N Number search. It will tell you when your registration expires.
 
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They ARE sending out reminders....to the address which you used to register the plane most recently. The point is, you need to make certain that the FAA has your current address. It also wouldn't hurt to see what month your airplane will be due to re-register.

MTV
 
I did my re-registration online easily which is surprising for me. I was notified that it would expire on March 31. I got the new one in about a week and another one a few days later. Now I need another Cub.
 
Register

I found if you go on to the FAA website under N Number Inquiry and type in your
N Number it will show your expiration date.
 
my 12 was registered in 98, inquiry says it expires in 2012. 180 in 09, expires in 2011. I havent done anything, so this means I wait till 2011/12?
 
My Pacer was registered 5/12/2010 and it is due 9/30/2011. I'll get 14 months out of that one.

The problem is people with projects that they have not registered are going to be de-registered. I have a few wrecks I need to register.
 
Some projects take a few years to get too let alone finish. would it be better to get a new N number when the plane is finished. Or Re-register a pile of parts now like they want ?
 
Sounds like in the near future we are all going to fly around with little dated registration stickers next to the N number
like all the cars.
around here 90% of the registration stickers on cars are expired or stolen!
 
Looks like you have to wait until they send you the re-registration card as it contains a "code" that you have to enter. Since mine isn't due until the end of June, guess I'll wait!
 
ugggh!!!!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40590745/ns/travel-news/

FAA missing key data on 119,000 planes

Agency fears 'questionable registration' could be exploited by terrorists, drug traffickers


By CHRIS HAWLEY
The Associated Press
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NEW YORK — The Federal Aviation Administration's aircraft registry is missing key information on who owns one-third of the 357,000 private and commercial planes in the U.S. — a gap the agency fears could be exploited by terrorists and drug traffickers.
The records are in such disarray that the FAA says it is worried that criminals could buy planes without the government's knowledge, or use the registration numbers of other aircraft to evade new computer systems designed to track suspicious flights. It has ordered all aircraft owners to re-register their planes in an effort to clean up its files.
About 119,000 of the planes on the U.S. registry have "questionable registration" because of missing forms, invalid addresses, unreported sales or other paperwork problems, according to the FAA. In many cases, the FAA cannot say who owns a plane or even whether it is still flying or has been junked.
Already there have been cases of drug traffickers using phony U.S. registration numbers, as well as instances of mistaken identity in which police raided the wrong plane because of faulty record-keeping.
Next year, the FAA will begin canceling the registration certificates of all 357,000 aircraft and require owners to register anew, a move that is causing grumbling among airlines, banks and leasing companies. Notices went out to the first batch of aircraft owners last month.
"We have identified some potential risk areas, but I think we're trying to eliminate as much risk as possible through the re-registration process," said FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown.
Security, safety issues
The FAA says security isn't the only reason it needs an up-to-date registry. Regulators use it to contact owners about safety problems, states rely on it to charge sales tax, and some airports employ it to bill for landing fees. Also, rescuers use the database to track down planes that are missing.
But the FAA has emphasized the security and law enforcement angle as the new measure has moved through the rule-making process over the past two years. The agency says the paperwork gap is becoming a bigger problem as authorities increasingly rely on computers to tighten aviation security in the wake of 9/11 and other terrorist plots.
There have already been cases of criminals using U.S. registration numbers, also known as N-numbers or tail numbers, to disguise their airplanes. In 2008, Venezuela authorities seized a twin-engine plane with the registration number N395CA on the fuselage and more than 1,500 pounds of cocaine on board.
Soon afterward, airplane owner Steven Lathrop of Ellensburg, Wash., received a call from a reporter.
"He sort of started the conversation with, 'Do you know where your airplane is? ... Your airplane's in a jungle in South America,'" Lathrop said.
Lathrop's Piper Cheyenne II XL was locked safely in its hangar at the Ellensburg airport. The smugglers had apparently chosen his tail number because the model was similar to their plane.
"Anybody with a roll of duct tape can put any number they want on an airplane," Lathrop said.
Mistaken identity
Federal law requires all U.S. aircraft owners to register their planes with the FAA and carry the registration certificate on board. The registration number — all U.S. registrations start with the letter N — is painted on the fuselage or tail. The numbers are used on flight plan forms and by air traffic controllers to communicate with aircraft in flight.
The amount of missing or invalid paperwork has been building for decades, the FAA says. Up to now, owners had to register their planes only once, at the time of purchase. The FAA sent out notices every three years asking owners to update their contact information if needed, but there was no punishment for not doing so.
The U.S. registry includes 16,000 aircraft that were sold but never updated with the names of the new owners, and more than 14,000 planes that have had their registrations revoked but may still be flying because the FAA has not canceled their N-numbers. Other registrations are outdated because the owners have died or the planes were totaled in crashes. Some planes are simply derelicts corroding in barns or junkyards.
As a result, there is a "large pool" of N-numbers "that can facilitate drug, terrorist or other illegal activities," the FAA warned in a 2007 report.
The problem became more acute after the government launched a new computer system for tracking flights called the Automatic Detection and Processing Terminal, or ADAPT, the FAA says. The system combines dozens of databases, from a list of stolen aircraft to the names of diplomats. It flags suspicious flights in red on a map.
Unreliable data in the system has led to cases of mistaken identity.
Pilot Pierre Redmond said his Cirrus was searched by Customs and Border Protection agents in fatigues and bulletproof vests last year in Ramona, Calif. They told him his tail number had been confused with that of a wanted plane in Florida.
In August, police in Santa Barbara, Calif., detained flight instructors John and Martha King at gunpoint after federal authorities mistook their Cessna for a plane that was stolen in 2002. The Kings are famous in aviation because they produce and star in a popular series of test-preparation videos for pilots.
The error in the Kings' case was eventually traced to a law-enforcement database that is cross-referenced with the FAA's registry, not to the registry itself. But Brown of the FAA called it an example of the real-world consequences of bad recordkeeping.
"It's very, very scary," Martha King said. "If this keeps happening to people, somebody's going to get shot."
All plane owners must re-register
To update the FAA registry, the agency will cancel all aircraft registrations over the next three years. Owners will have three months to re-register. In addition, the FAA will do away with its one-time registration certificate and adopt one that has to be replaced every three years. Those who fail to re-register will lose their certificate, and the plane must be grounded.
"We're trying to model it more closely on some of the programs that are in effect for automobiles," Brown said. "With the more regular renewal process, you will capture bad data much more frequently."

Airlines, leasing companies, charter operators and banks agree there is a problem but have complained about having to repeatedly re-register planes.
The Air Transport Association of America, which represents airlines, warned in 2008 that the measure "had the potential to wreak havoc on the commercial air transportation system." On Tuesday, ATA spokesman David Castelveter said airlines are still gauging the potential effect of the new rule.
Other groups noted that most of the aircraft with paperwork problems are smaller planes that pose little terrorist threat.
"I don't think we're going to see a tremendous security benefit as a result of this," said Doug Carr, a vice president of the National Business Aviation Association.
Banks and finance companies that hold loans used to buy planes will be among those hardest hit, said David Warner, general counsel for the National Aircraft Finance Association. A bank's claim to an aircraft is often tied to the FAA registration, so lenders are having to hire more staff and buy computer systems to track hundreds of aircraft registrations, Warner said.
He said the FAA has exaggerated the danger.
"The threat of people wanting to do us harm is very real, but the focus on re-registration or stale registration data on aircraft is not where the risk is likely to be," Warner said.
 
I am abstaining from commenting on the FAA's "logic" that removing an aircraft's status as "registered" will keep unscrupulous types from flying it. I guess I was unaware that a criminal would be concerned about the legality of aircraft registration ;)
 
That's the ticket. Registering planes every 3 years will certainly stop the bad guys from flying them. They absolutely wouldn't dare fly a plane without proper registration.
What a bunch of BS. Some dufus sitting on their butts in D.C. or Okie CIty doesn't have enough to do.
 
I've bought and sold a project complete with log books and a certified aircraft identity. I never did any transfer paperwork when buying or selling. Is that plane still a viable airplane? Who owns it? Was it altered along the way? Is it being flown while being registered to a guy who hasn't seen it in 10 years? If you bought it tomorrow with those "complete" log books so many guys look for would you like to believe that certified airplane's history was based in reality? The registration rule makes a lot of sense and by all reports it's pretty simple to comply with.

SB
 
No matter how it disguised, it is just a user fee (tax).


and thats why the muni was gonna double the tax, because it was easy to track you down with the new registration rules going into effect.... when asked about boats and rec vehicles they said it would be too much work to tax them directly...
 
I wonder if the Bare Foot bandit from Washington was worried about proper registration before he went flying?
 
Steve,

Actually, the FAA database WAS accurate in the case that the Kings ran into. It was the law enforcement database that was outdated, and which triggered the hoo-haw.

Frankly, the FAA is going to LOSE money at $3 a pop for new registration. The government can't do ANYthing for that price. Which suggests to me that the "fee" will magically increase in future, like every three years. Stand by.

MTV
 
I don't understand when to re-reg.

one 9/30/2013

one12/31/2012

one 3/31/2012

one 6/30/2012 when do they need to be re- reg.
 
So, today is march 31, 2011.....
The first batch expire tonight at midnight.
I checked the faa's web site and see they don't yet have some of my aircraft "updated".
I sent them in long ago...

Wonder when they will update their data base web site..?
 
Rufffy,

seems you have multiple aircraft at risk, I can take them away for you to ensure protection.

Besides, you have cows to brand and arms to heal!!!!!
 
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