PA-12 Performance with O-235 C1C
- Thread starter WWhunter
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aviationinfo
Registered User
Southwest WA
WHunter,
From "here" looking at that pic it looks OK to me, but the best thing, if it's doable for you, is to get that 12 you're thinking of buying and have the owner fly it in to your strip. Have him come and go alone with light fuel--then you'll get an idea. You'll a real good idea of the margins left over after takeoff and touchdown.
Barring that, go fly it with him on board to some longer grass strip and get a feel for how long it takes to get airborne, and how far to stop it. You'll know if it'll work or not.
Not very scientific but it'll be quite informative.
Andrew
From "here" looking at that pic it looks OK to me, but the best thing, if it's doable for you, is to get that 12 you're thinking of buying and have the owner fly it in to your strip. Have him come and go alone with light fuel--then you'll get an idea. You'll a real good idea of the margins left over after takeoff and touchdown.
Barring that, go fly it with him on board to some longer grass strip and get a feel for how long it takes to get airborne, and how far to stop it. You'll know if it'll work or not.
Not very scientific but it'll be quite informative.
Andrew
Steve Pierce
BENEFACTOR
Graham, TX
C172 vs. PA12 for fun factor?
Stock PA12 vs. C172-180 or C150-160 w/tail wheel conversion with cost consideration?
I'd take the PA12 any day of the week. A very nice flying airplane to me.
Stock PA12 vs. C172-180 or C150-160 w/tail wheel conversion with cost consideration?
I'd take the PA12 any day of the week. A very nice flying airplane to me.
WWhunter
FRIEND
Near the Headwaters of the Mighty Mississippi Rive
The question has been asked "Why not the 172?" Honestly I hate to get rid of my 172...I have had it for 20 trouble free years and it is a very economical plane to own. Doesn't use much more fuel/hr. than the Champ.
I have done touch and goes on my strip with it, but with the stall horn BLARING to get out!! Real pucker factor and I personally don't feel it gives me a good enough safety margin to risk my life and plane over. I know I would have no problem landing it there....it's the take-off and getting out that scares me. It has the ol' O-300 for a screaming 145 HP! I would love to convert it to 180HP but it isn't cost effective.
Thanks Scout, for posting the photo and video. They are a good representative of what my strip looks like but I don't think they show how close the trees are. Several guys from this sight have been in there with their SC's and also a 150hp PA-12, Scout's Champ and 8GCBC.
The guy that has the 12 lives over 1500 miles from my strip. I will be going down and trying it out with him though as soon as I can get things settled here in the DC area.
Steve P., I agree 100% on the fun factor. I would much rather have the PA-12.
Keith
I have done touch and goes on my strip with it, but with the stall horn BLARING to get out!! Real pucker factor and I personally don't feel it gives me a good enough safety margin to risk my life and plane over. I know I would have no problem landing it there....it's the take-off and getting out that scares me. It has the ol' O-300 for a screaming 145 HP! I would love to convert it to 180HP but it isn't cost effective.
Thanks Scout, for posting the photo and video. They are a good representative of what my strip looks like but I don't think they show how close the trees are. Several guys from this sight have been in there with their SC's and also a 150hp PA-12, Scout's Champ and 8GCBC.
The guy that has the 12 lives over 1500 miles from my strip. I will be going down and trying it out with him though as soon as I can get things settled here in the DC area.
Steve P., I agree 100% on the fun factor. I would much rather have the PA-12.
Keith
bob turner
Registered User
That's one we forgot - might well be easier to get in and out of a Scout than almost anything this side of the 172. Keep the gear legs short, tho . .
S
StewartB
WWhunter said:
A piece of duct tape over the stall horn inlet will solve your problem.
The stall horn gives up before the airplane does. Perhaps a different prop would relieve your anxiety. I doubt a low-powered/no flaps 12 will make you feel warm and fuzzy any more than your 172 does. It will be slower, will hold less, and will be more expensive to maintain and insure.
I think Cessna's 172 is the finest all-around GA airplane ever made by a very large margin. A stock 12 is nothing more than a platform to build an airplane on. My subjective perspective after having owned both.
Stewart
behindpropellers
Registered User
NE Ohio
StewartB said:WWhunter said:
A piece of duct tape over the stall horn inlet will solve your problem.
The stall horn gives up before the airplane does. Perhaps a different prop would relieve your anxiety. I doubt a low-powered/no flaps 12 will make you feel warm and fuzzy any more than your 172 does. It will be slower, will hold less, and will be more expensive to maintain and insure.
I think Cessna's 172 is the finest all-around GA airplane ever made by a very large margin. A stock 12 is nothing more than a platform to build an airplane on. My subjective perspective after having owned both.
Stewart
I would love to see what a C-172 with a 82/43 would do. I know burl has that prop approved on the Sedan with the 0-300/C-145.
Tim
WWhunter
FRIEND
Near the Headwaters of the Mighty Mississippi Rive
StewartB,
I am SHOCKED that someone on this site would actually say what a good all around plane the 172 is! LOL This has been my sentiment exactly, that is why I am having a difficult time with getting rid of it. Comparing the performance specs of the 12 vs 172, I really can't see where I will gain anything other than owning another taildragger.
My 172's prop has already been repitched to a climb prop and I have thought about trying to put a borer type on it. Maybe that is the best way to go.
Thanks,
Keith
I am SHOCKED that someone on this site would actually say what a good all around plane the 172 is! LOL This has been my sentiment exactly, that is why I am having a difficult time with getting rid of it. Comparing the performance specs of the 12 vs 172, I really can't see where I will gain anything other than owning another taildragger.
My 172's prop has already been repitched to a climb prop and I have thought about trying to put a borer type on it. Maybe that is the best way to go.
Thanks,
Keith
oldbaldguy
Registered User
You are right: the grass is not always greener. If what you have works, you might not be better off with something else. Chances are good that if you trade your 172 for that 12, you'll hate yourself in the morning because you'll not have gained anything except something that is harder to get in and out of than the 172. I looked at replacing my 12 with a local O-300 172 not long ago, but my wife reminded me that the 12 is cheap to fly, suits the kind of flying I do, and I've had it long enough to know what I have. If your 172 fills those same boxes for you, you just might want to keep it.
superchamp
Registered User
COOK MINNESOTA
Chain saw gas is a lot cheaper than a Borer prop!
