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Our days are numbered

bob turner

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I am based at KMYF. We are down to about 1/2 of our 1977 operations. Lots of reasons for that.

The city has hired a new Director of Airports (his previous jobs were Fullerton and Sedona). He has stated to me that Piper Cubs belong in a field in the country, and that the days of single engine piston engine pleasure flying are over. He later qualified that by saying that what he meant was that nobody was learning to fly and that manufacturers were only making Cirrusi.

I spent some time yesterday with one of his staff. She was talking about "natural attrition" and the need to replace the lost little airplane business with larger turbine equipment. Those of us with small hangars are now being looked upon with some distaste (our hangars are not uniform in appearance, and do not have the regulation 126 foot taxiways required for our size airport). We will be offered a 15 year lease with no provisions for renewal, and the city is planning large outside tie down areas - maybe so the stragglers can park their prize antiques outside in 2031.

We are designated an S-12 airport, which means a 12,500 lb aircraft with single tire main mounts is the largest we allow. We have no specs for a dual wheel main mount airplane,but the city council many years ago restricted our airport to 20,000 lbs. no matter how many tires. We are now inviting much heavier airplanes in, and planning to extend the runway - presumably in preparation for the demise of small GA aircraft.

We have seen this before - KCRQ, not 25 miles away, was a semi-thriving GA airport a quarter century ago, and has been converted to almost 100% corporate jets and turboprops. Once we complete our metamorphosis, we will have three jet ports within 30 miles of each other, and those of us with Cubs can indeed head for the country.

Our new Director is in the process of convincing the city council that this is the way to go in the future. Obviously, it saddens me to see it happening. We have tried to get the attention of AOPA to help slow down the headlong rush, but so far they are busy with KSMO.

Wish us luck - as of right now, I believe that Cubs, Stearmans and other biplanes, and Champs are about 10% of all operations ( I am personally just under 3%). I will be 90 when the 15 year leases run out - this whole unfortunate thing might not affect me much. But what a shame for the future of general aviation, huh?
 
I see it somewhat around here. These rinky dink towns think their airports are going to attract the jet setters. Some of these airports look more like a prison than a place for aviation. I hate airports and avoid them as much as possible. I love grass strips without barbed wire fence. I had to take a test a few weeks ago to be able to buy avgas at a local airport, security cameras, tall fences, barb wire security gates and passwords. No thanks.my love of aviation is in big part to get away from people..
 
We can't see the forest for the trees I think eventually General aviation Is dying a slow death I hope I am wrong
 
Meanwhile, the Chinese are bragging about creating 10 million new jobs per year in China with substantial help from General Aviation. While this may be an exaggeration, it is just one more illustration of how lost our leaders(?) are.

Please support AOPA, EAA and the alphabet organizations. Otherwise nothing will happen.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-03/09/c_135170766.htm
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BEIJING, March 9 (Xinhua) -- With China's plans to open up low-altitude airspace ready for take off, the general aviation sector is offering a promising contribution for the country's lofty goal to add 10 million new jobs each year.

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Even airports in the sticks have this problem. The Port authority that operates my airport (Jefferson County, near Pt Townsend WA) keeps bringing up adding 200' onto our 3000' paved runway, even though it would cost a buttload of money and do nothing for us. We got a GPS approach a few years ago, & more recently an AWOS. The AWOS is nice to have but no big game-changer or life-saving safety feature like it's promoters said. The Port would love to see this place turned into a commercial airport, but P.T. is about the least business-friendly town in the whole state so it isn't going to happen. I don't know why they don't try to promote it as what it is-- a funky friendly little small-town airport with an old-school mechanic's shop and a nice little vintage airplane museum. If they put in a grass strip and helped the museum put on an antique fly-in every year, that'd bring more money into the community than the instrument approach, the AWOS, & another 200' of runway combined.
 
We are very lucky at RPH, the powers that be in Graham fly. Although they have a different agenda than I do they are airport friendly. Yes, we got an extension to 5000 feet a few years ago, big deal to me but I guess we do have more jet traffic and there are 2 based here. We also got a game fence which I didn't see any need for but I can close the gates and keep the dogs off the highway. I started cutting the grass on the west side of runway 18/36 so we have an unofficial grass runway. One of our big wigs had an issue with it at first but he listened to reason. Yes it does gripe my but that I have been here 19 years and never asked to be on the airport board and am the last to know what is going on but by mentioning the open meetings act I am now informed of every airport board meeting and attend and give my 2 cents if asked or not. ;)
 
The money is in the business class turbines. Us little puddle jumpers represent insignificant $$ to the bean counters. This attitude is exactly why I will be selling my hangars (which the county will confiscate anyway at the end of our current lease), and move to a smaller, friendlier, lower cost airport when I retire in another year or two. I've been here 30+ years and have watched the local municipality slowly steal what we built and price the next generation out of aviation. Their attitude is that anyone with an airplane is made of money, and those that can't afford to make the airport profitable should get out. So that is exactly what I intend to do. I see no reason to stay here and spend my retirement years fighting with this bunch of fools. No doubt, they will be happy to see me gone.

-Cub Builder
 
No matter where in the country I am, all I have to do is mention:"airport management" to see faces turn purple.
 
Bob and others,

Airports that receive FAA Airport Improvement Money must sign Grant Obligations that require the airport to be open to the public, and will spell out requirements.

Before you give up, get a copy of the obligations. They might only offer you a 15 year lease, but that lease could very well be tied to the volume of money you have/are willing to invest in your hanger and property. Alaska has a chart that you get x years for x money, more money, more years.

Just because some pinhead bean counter says it has to be, does not mean that the FAA agrees. Read the state statutes and Grant Obligations... you might find that their 'intent' does not comply with what the promised the FAA. Once managers discover that they might have to pay the FAA back millions they have spent improving the airport, their tune will change.

It will take you time, but do your research and take their own promises to task.
 
It was called the"Grant Assurance" document and it saved our butts at our airport, airport management was determined to assume ownership of our hangers until they put it in front of the FAA, and was told to stuff it.
 
Dream on ,for the last 25 years airports with all our money,say (you can't bannertow here) big ones little ones all the same.now its little planes they get there way. because no one knows what a bannertow is ,and now no one knows what a little plane is because one comes twice a year.who runs all small airports ?the guy with the jet because is worth it to run airport to control his fuel price.
 
Mark - I have the Grant Assurances on speed dial.

The problem is that once a manager convinces city hall that he/she is golden, they can violate just about anything they want. The FAA has to want to help - Palomar has succumbed to the jet mentality, and our county supervisor is on record as saying that "Cessna pilots will have to go elsewhere." The FAA is no help at all there. Keep one eye on Santa Monica.

Actually, unless somebody hires a lawyer, you can get away with almost anything you want. Government bureaucrats do it all the time. I am engaged in battle here, but have no illusions about my chances for success.
 
We're pretty lucky here. Privately owned airport, three grass runways, no fences. No money from the state or feds. The county's only involvement is once a year they drive through looking for new hangars to tax.
 
It is in the country.

Grant Assurance #22:

i. The sponsor may prohibit or limit any given type, kind or class of aeronautical use of the airport if such action is necessary for the safe operation of the airport or necessary to serve the civil aviation needs of the public.


Our city did that, with a resolution. It excluded aircraft Heavier than 20,000 lbs. New director says the city cannot do that, and is busy inviting heavier aircraft in. Safe Operation is open to interpretation, but one could say that weight limits for a fairly short runway are maybe necessary.

Giving up and moving to the country is an option, but Americans are not supposed to give up that easily. Besides, the Greek does not want to move to Roseburg. I would go in a heartbeat, I think.
 
We're pretty lucky here. Privately owned airport, three grass runways, no fences. No money from the state or feds. The county's only involvement is once a year they drive through looking for new hangars to tax.


The airport owner has the right idea. If you take their money, you gotta take their BS too.
You make your own way, you can call your own shots- to a point anyway.

Here's a case in point: the Port manager here has been saying for several years that the FAA feels our runway is "nearing the end of it's useful life". FWIW they closed the old original grass strip and built a 3000' x 75' paved runway in 1990, so it's 25 years old. Still in pretty good shape as near as I can tell. This year, he says the FAA wants the runway totally rebuilt and will give us a 90% grant of $1.8M to do so- so about $2M of taxpayers money will be spent. The Port loves this kinda thing, doesn't matter if it's needed or not as long as the Feds are gonna pay 90% (and usually the state chips in another 5%). "Free money" they way they look at it. What a waste of taxpayer's money is how I see it. Plus they refuse to understand that the parallel taxiway an be used to take off and land, so the airport will probably be closed for about 6 months to boot. Great.
 
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Yep. A horror show. They are doing everything they can to impede GA. We could not use a perfectly good paved parallel runway because they needed it for intermittent taxi.

In the olden days Mr. & Mrs. Riley ran the Gila Bend airport. All gravel, good enough for a DC-3. Walking distance to restaurants and motels. Mr. Riley was the Sheriff.

Then the feds came in with almost a million bucks for a strip nine miles north, put the Rileys out of business, and for a while before self serve, GBN was no longer a good fuel stop.
 
How many times do you see swails cut in along runways on new fed funded inprovements to runways. Who can afford to maintain these long runways down the road?
 
We're pretty lucky here. Privately owned airport, three grass runways, no fences. No money from the state or feds. The county's only involvement is once a year they drive through looking for new hangars to tax.
Sounds like my field in Indiantown, X58.
 
How many times do you see swails cut in along runways on new fed funded inprovements to runways. Who can afford to maintain these long runways down the road?

I can think of two different airport near me (KCLM & KBVS) at the which the crosswind runways were marked shorter and narrower, the only reason I can think of is so they don't have to maintain the whole thing.
Instead of the FAA rebuilding a perfectly good runway at my airport, or adding more length that we don't need, I'd rather see the money spent to keep these other runways at full size.
 
We're pretty lucky here. Privately owned airport, three grass runways, no fences. No money from the state or feds. The county's only involvement is once a year they drive through looking for new hangars to tax.

Where is Iowa Park and what is the identifier.
 
Aviation seems to be good here. People buying Skywagons and Huskys like crazy. I got 7 primary students, 4 of them tailwheel. No hangar space available, all full. Maintenance shops full to. All the cub rebuilders around here have 2 year waiting list.
 
I park very near the Aviat Husky Wy. factory when I fly to breakfast, once a month or more. It is amazing the level of activity seen there, always many new planes plus lots of cars in the workers parking lot, very good to see.
 
Yes it does gripe my but that I have been here 19 years and never asked to be on the airport board


I used to worry about the airport administration here at Thun field. Now that Carey Gray is on our board of directors, I guess I feel like I have diplomatic immunity! :lol:
 
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