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Oshkosh stol demo

Little_Cub

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Palmer, Alaska
A quick update on the Air Ventures STOL event.
STOL flying will take place at the UltraLight field at 8PM on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. This year we have several old timers and many new pilots so please come cheer then on.
At 6pm (before the demo) the STOL pilots will be gathering at the UltraLight field (Zenith booth 933) to talk with anyone interested in short field ops and mods. Come join the fun!



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Last night was a lotta fun with everyone getting three runs! The crowd was very engaged.

Hoping for more folks to show for STOL discussions tonight at 6PM at the Zenith booth (933).. EAA placed a article in their daily news today which may help. Several names from STOL competitions were there last night including JERRY BURR it was great to have the time with all of them. Enjoy the show!


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Thaefeli- It would be great to have Zenith represented, several years entrees were made but it just hasn't worked out yet.. I'm sure it will soon!

Tonight flying went well with several from the crowd expressing good things about the event afterwards. It did run pretty late but it sure was fun.

The STOL discussion went well with more interest tonight. Please help spread the word.. At 6PM Thursday and Friday the STOL group will meet at the Zenith booth (# 933) North-West of the Ultralight tower. Everyone is invited to participate and learn from some of the best!

The STOL flying will start again at 8PM on both Thursday and Friday.

Enjoy the show!!

Jerry Burr helping a first time STOL pilot.

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Talking STOL under a new Zenith

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Looked like last night everyone enjoyed the increased headwind vs first
night dead calm.

Its been really good watching...!

Kem
 
Stu and I had lunch with Jerry Burr last time he was at Lock Haven 12+ years ago. I have never looked at flying the same way since. Every plane I've owned since and my wallet are lighter ;-)

Glenn
 
Its great that Zenith is hosting the STOL discussions, just seems a little disingenuous. I am just curious why you don't see their products in any of the STOL demos/competitions: OSH, Valdez, Texas STOL, etc.
Seems like that would be such a great marketing tool. I have flown the 701, its a great little airplane.
 
Their reputation is not stellar like people consider a cub as an airplane as a whole....
Its great that Zenith is hosting the STOL discussions, just seems a little disingenuous. I am just curious why you don't see their products in any of the STOL demos/competitions: OSH, Valdez, Texas STOL, etc.
Seems like that would be such a great marketing tool. I have flown the 701, its a great little airplane.
 
Its great that Zenith is hosting the STOL discussions, just seems a little disingenuous. I am just curious why you don't see their products in any of the STOL demos/competitions: OSH, Valdez, Texas STOL, etc.
Seems like that would be such a great marketing tool. I have flown the 701, its a great little airplane.

I'm pretty sure that the OSH gig is "by invitation only" and not open to just anyone... The people you see flying are the "names" you've heard of in Valdez, etc.

Valdez - most of those guys are "locals" and it doesn't seem like many of them fly Zenith aircraft up there. There are some good reasons for that, and they've been discussed MANY times in other threads, often titled something along the lines of "what airplane should I buy"... Personally, when I look at the nose gear attachment on those airplanes, I cannot convince myself that they are robust enough for the kind of abuse landing gear gets in Alaska. Probably fine for 99% of everything in the Lower 48, through. A good friend has a CH-750, and loves it. He jokes about doing his cross-wind landings "sideways" (90-degrees to the runway) on our 100-foot-wide runway. In the hands of a good pilot, it would probably do it, too!

As for Texas STOL, I believe if a CH-701, -750, or other Zenith pilot wanted to participate, they could. After all, last year's contest had a Champ that did some amazing landings, though the low-power takeoffs were far less spectacular than the typical STOL competitors... Maybe those Zenith guys just don't want to fly that far (at very slow cruising speeds) just to compete with small chances of winning?

I've considered flying my 1965 Champion 7ECA (100 HP O-200 powered) to the TX STOL event. But if I flew in the STOL contest, I would not be remotely competitive, since my "best" short landing performance is at least 2X (and more often 3X) the "average" at the TX STOL competition. Big guy in small airplane with small engine and ancient propeller, small tires and no flaps – none of these are ingredients for success in the STOL competition... My takeoff acceleration and climb in the heat of the day is "leisurely" at best – worse than the incredible Champ last year at Llano, by far!

And finally, it would take me almost as long to get there as it will driving my Truck towing the Camper... And the Camper is much more comfortable to sleep in... But the real reason is... (drum-roll) ... if I were competing, I would not get to see all the great competitors doing their thing, and for me, watching the "real pros" (and even the really good amateurs) perform is absolutely priceless - a real learning experience every time.
 
Remember Air Ventures STOL tonight (Thursday 27th).

STOL discussions at booth 933 (Zenith) N-W of announcer tower at UltraLight field staring at 6PM.

STOL competition starts at 8pm at UL field.

See you there!!


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Anxious to get an update? Wondering if the either the Slat fit Maule or Husky experimental made it to the STOL demo? Wonder if the BearHawk with the Bravo wing made it there also? :)
 
What TFR?

STOL demo on Thursday night, along with all flying stopped prior to 8 pm because of the Blue Angels practice. Therefore a TFR was in place for the practice.

As it says in the program..... all schedules subject to change.
 
STOL demo is on for this evening at 8PM, the pilots are gathering at the Ultralight field, Zenith booth (# 933) at 6PM for STOL discussions with anyone interested. Come talk with some the icons like Jerry Burr.

Tonight will be a lotta fun with flying, a competition challenge with Eric Farewell of the
Paradigm Aerobatic Paraglider Team and much more!! Come join the party.



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A few shots from tonight ......
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Thanks Bob.. yes measurements were feet.. we updated the post a bit to be more complete.
Because pilots were flying in varied lighting and wind conditions we took the best score
for Monday and Tuesday and added for a total.. this was used to establish the overall score.
Hope that helps.. frank 'n kris
 
2017 AirVentures STOL Demo Results


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All distances in feet.

As an example Jerry Burr had a 65' TO and 89' Landing on Monday for a (best for the day) total of 154'.
On Tuesday he had a (best for the day) 63' TO and 118' Landing for a total of of 181.
Jerry's overall score was 335' TOTAL for first place in the certified class!
This is the same 1946 Piper J-3 Cub Jerry has been using for 40 years and flew in from NW Washington.


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The White Hawk is a favorite of mine. I'd love to see all the paperwork for that "certified" cub. Well, maybe not.
 
Thanks. All my friends have been telling me that Cubs need only about 17 feet, with a really good pilot. The numbers you posted are more in line with what I expect with a light Cub and a good pilot.
 
And in the real world, with a mediocre & chubby pilot like me, on grass, with some "stuff" in the PA-12-150, more like 200 ft.
 
180 ft T/O is the best a Back Country Cub can do? Wrong prop, heavy airplane, bad technique! Or a combination of all?
 
180 ft T/O is the best a Back Country Cub can do? Wrong prop, heavy airplane, bad technique! Or a combination of all?
it was a total of takeoff and landing, many of the take offs were less than 100 feet, read the charts..
 
it was a total of takeoff and landing, many of the take offs were less than 100 feet, read the charts..
Well I read it as well and you appear to be wrong. Take a look at "C14" under the various Columns titled "T/O" and since there are separate columns titled "LDG" as well as totals it indicates his best take off was on day one with #2 and it was 180' and that would beat my best in front of a crowd on a warm afternoon.
 
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A big thanks to Frank and Kris Knapp for putting this together! Also to all the volunteers that helped make this possible. It's a great event and the crowd really enjoyed watching it.

FWIW, the density altitude was approx 1950 FT (+/-100) with a few knots quartering headwind.
 
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