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Oil cooler return blockage

Helmetfire

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Caldwell, Texas
I have an O-320 cub that I've been fighting a high oil temp problem for a while. At first I thought is was the cylinders were running a little too warm and the baffling wasn't the greatest...didn't have a CHT gauge. After a top overhaul with new cylinders (massaged by LyCon) and the installation of a 4 cylinder CHT gauge and some baffle work the oil temps were still too high. 75 degree OAT will yield oil temps 230-245 depending on rpm...basically unacceptable.

CHT's run between 310-350...pretty darn cool given the high oil temps.

Recently installed a new cub cooler in the nose with new -8 Aeroquip lines fabricated with no change in temps. Tried blocking off all openings around the cooler, starter hole, and even the air intake ('58 cub with square intake brackett filter)...no change.

Was taking things apart today and took the right side (delivery) line off the cooler and oil came out of the line and cooler as expected. Next i removed the left side (return) oil line at the cooler and didn't get ANY oil dripping out of the line when removed. I thought that was pretty weird so I looked a little closer at the hose and found it was completely dry inside. Removed the line at the back of the engine and found the same thing.

To verify the flow through the lines and cooler, I re-attached both lines at the cooler and left the rear (return) line open into a catch jar. Turned the engine over with the starter for a few seconds and found the oil to be flowing at what seemed to be a healthy rate into the jar...this verifies I have pressure and flow through the oil cooler and lines.

Still somehow in the last few hours of flight time with the new oil cooler and lines, the oil never even made it past the cooler into the return line and back into the engine. During the few hours I would check the temp on the oil cooler and found it to be warm...not as warm as the oil sump, but still warm (180-190) so I figured I had flow through the cooler, but something was heating the oil too fast for the oil cooler to keep up. Thought maybe a spun bearing or something else???

Tomorrow morning I'll remove the AN elbow at the return into the sump and see if anything obvious is blocking the way, but I'm at a loss here and wanted to get some input from the great minds here! What, if anything, could be blocking oil flow back into the accessory case??

A few other things that might help:
Replaced oil screen and housing with new (overhauled), no vernatherm.
Replaced Oil pressure relief plunger and spring with new
Oil pressure runs 80+ on takeoff, after oil warms between 65-75, after landing idle with HOT oil 20-30 psi.
Tried straight weight and multi weight oil with basically no changes
Oil usage normal with seemingly no blow-by (oil not turning black right away)
 
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This is the path the oil takes through the engine, right??

Oil is in the sump
Picked up and pushed through the oil pump
Oil pump pushes it to the cooler
Out of the cooler and through the oil screen
Out the oil screen and into the engine (through pressure regulator) for cooling bearings and everything, then back into the sump.
 
Seems wrong, running through the cooler before through the engine, but you're correct--
leastwise that's how I read the lubrication diagram in the Lycoming overhaul manual.
 

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If the inside of the hose from the cooler back to the engine was dry, there is a restriction downstream of that hose which left an air lock in the hose. What is between the outlet end of the hose and the oil sump? That restriction is where you should start.
 
i bought a PA18A and the oil temp was running high so i adder a 2nd cooler with no change then when installing a B&C filter went to remove the by-pass plunger and it was not there so installed a vern-a -therm now when towing oil temps stay about 180
 
You may want to check to make darn sure your engine does not have the " viscosity valve " ??? These are located
Ahead of the screen in that casting. They work BACKWARDS to a normal valve. They are known to create
your exact problem you are having. The spring that controls when it let's oil out to the cooler is famous for
Breaking and loosing its tension.The plunger needs to be DOWN for oil to flow . The rate the engine gets hot is a clue here. With a stuck viscosity valve and no flow to the cooler you would see oil temps over 210 degrees with an OAT of say 70f, in 5/10 mins flying straight and level. ???
Because some folks don't understand how it works , they have been known to CUT some off the spring!! That makes it worse!! Running heavier oil,again will make it worse! Bumping up oil pressure again will make it worse!
So ask an old time mechanic if your engine has the " viscosity valve " and look for a broken or weak spring?
 
Also, if you have a Lycoming style oil filter adapter (puts the vernatherm in a seat inside the adapter and not against the accessory case. Vernatherm installs pointing up to the sky) you can run both bypass valves (viscosity valve and vernatherm) without them interfering. The viscosity valve will be the only thing "working" in that scenario, I'd only do it if I was troubleshooting the vernatherm/seat though.

However, if you have an oil filter adapter that uses the seat in the accessory case (vernatherm installs pointing towards the spinner), you cannot do this. The two bypass valves will physically interfere with each other and most of your oil will bypass the cooler.
 
Helmetfire,
Three ways
1) Take out the vernathanem valve (put it back as a cap), and replace it with the old spring and plunger.
2) Install fiberglass cowl lip from Charly center.
3) Oil cooler replacement. Rear old 7 vane cooler To REAR Aero’s "HE" Series (High Efficiency)

I had the same problem as you and now I can't get the oil temp over 185

Part Numbers
69436 Spring
62415 Plunger
62417 Plug

After modificationes done, I flown about 1 hour and the results were interesting.
Engine oil temp decreased al least 15 F - 20 F with this configuration.
OAT: 80F
Oil temp in flight: 185 / 190 F (before 210 F)
Oil press 75 PSI (before 70 PSI)
CHT no variations.

Also you can read this interesting post
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=104139

I hope I have helped you.


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Cowl lip from Charly center. (same as shown in photo attached)


Piper PA18
LV-GBR
Entre Rios, Argentina, SA





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I decided for this and a couple other reasons, to tear down the engine and overhaul it. Peace of mind is important to me so we'll see what happens. Nothing obvious was found after tear-down other than some pretty good ridges on the crank bearing journals...fingernail catching ridges on all the journals, but no discoloration or anything...i'll see what aircraft specialties says.
 
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