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MOSAIC: GAMA doesn’t want light sport pilots flying 172s

Actually, Pete Bunce is the GAMA president, he flies a Sportsman (quite well). I’ve worked with him on the RAF board so not sure it is all about money.

Plus, wouldn’t manufactures sell more airplanes if more people could fly them?

sj
 
What Pierce said. It opens the door to the used airplane market. Tens of thousands of used airplanes would be available.
It will hurt the "LSA" Manufacturers. Why spend +$300K for new when an nice $100K 172 fits the bill?
Don't forget, MOSAIC also opens the door to the thousands of airplanes that are just 20-100 pounds to heavy to be called LSA.
 
"AVweb‘s sources said the main issue for GAMA is allowing Light Sport pilots to fly four-place aircraft."
This is not logical. For example, which has a greater safety margin, A 172 with two people and a load of fuel or a 150 with the same two people and a load of fuel? Also who is more likely able to afford to buy a new airplane, a retired sport pilot or a sport pilot youngster?

With the prices of new airplanes as they are, you would think GAMA would be wanting to increase their possibilities of a sale.
 
Actually, Pete Bunce is the GAMA president, he flies a Sportsman (quite well). I’ve worked with him on the RAF board so not sure it is all about money.

Plus, wouldn’t manufactures sell more airplanes if more people could fly them?

sj
Sorry, Andre Castro is the spokesman not the president.

How many AME fought Basic Med?
Legacy manufacturers were against Light Sport.
I look back at EAA and AOPA and ADS-B and how much they made off advertising for the avionics manufacturers. ADS-B is nice but if I have it I have to have it on at all times no matter what airspace I am in or I can be violated?
 
Because GAMA is representing the big boys and the MOSAIC will not benefit them. https://gama.aero/about-gama/member-companies/
GAMA president is a bureaucrat looking out for those people. https://gama.aero/about-gama/staff/andre-castro/
Follow the money, it drives everything.

I am firmly in Steve’s corner here. There are some questionable/crooked stuff that goes on behind the scenes with regards to MOASIC and unleaded AVGAS with G100UL being a perfect example.

Just my opinion, but gov’t is not our friend…. Over a decade and counting to get unleaded fuel and this continued debacle to figure out MOASIC…. Enough already. And yes, it is typically about money, second choice is control.
 
Remember when LSA/ Sport Pilot first came out?
As one of the few legacy nosedraggers that met the LSA definition, Ercoupes went up in value.
As did some legacy taildraggers like champs, etc.
IMHO one side effect of MOSAIC would be the reverse of this--
lowering of values for some aircraft that currently meet LSA limitations.

Also, one of the comments to the linked article got me thinking....
will MOSAIC as currently written allow flying an airplane with a constant speed prop airplane with just a drivers license?
Current LSA definition allows for fixed pitch or ground adjustable only.
 
... one of the comments to the linked article got me thinking....
will MOSAIC as currently written allow flying an airplane with a constant speed prop airplane with just a drivers license?
Current LSA definition allows for fixed pitch or ground adjustable only.

Just looked at a federal register webpage
Federal Register :: Modernization of Special Airworthiness Certification
that seems to answer this question:

[h=4]c. Changes to the Aircraft That Sport Pilots May Operate
This proposal would also expand what aircraft sport pilots can operate. Under this proposal, sport pilots could operate heavier aircraft than currently allowed under the § 1.1 definition and airplanes with up to four seats, even though they would remain limited to carrying only one passenger. This one passenger limitation would also apply to a flight instructor with a sport pilot rating conducting flight training in a four-seat airplane. Additionally, this proposal includes expansions to certain proposed sport pilot privileges through training and endorsements for airplanes that hat have a controllable pitch propeller, for aircraft with a retractable landing gear, and to conduct night operations. This proposal would also make corresponding changes to regulations affecting the privileges and limitations of a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating. These proposed changes are discussed in greater detail in section IV.E.[/h]
 
I look forward to reading details about the issues GAMA has with MOSIAC. I wonder what data they will use to make their case? I made my living doing that for the FAA during the rollout of Sport Pilot/ LSA so I'll be ready to take a gander at the things they find that we all missed since then.
 
Actually, Pete Bunce is the GAMA president, he flies a Sportsman (quite well). I’ve worked with him on the RAF board so not sure it is all about money.

Plus, wouldn’t manufactures sell more airplanes if more people could fly them?

sj

I’ve met Pete at RAF and RAF/GAMA events, and my observation is the same as Steve’s.

I read through the statement and I don’t see anything controversial. To say MOSAIC misses some opportunities is probably an understatement.

I would add that in my observation, AOPA, EAA, GAMA, and others collaborate quite a lot and very effectively.


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My thinking is less than it being about the money. I simply think nobody cares. Clearly LSA is a good idea that is still supremely under utilized. Adding in some heavier aircraft really won't matter a whole lot. The main objective of this MOSAIC thing is to do the rule making to add in electric aircraft via the congressional mandate - so I think the LS is just going to get pushed to the side while they work on that digical stuff.

The new rules would allow our 180s to be flown as LSA... that's cool.... maybe.
 
as politicians get their palms greased, and things get into "committee", Logic and common sense fly out the window.

So much timed energy spent arguing about what medical is required to fly a 172, or any other aircraft for that matter, yet we allow everyone to drive the 'car' at high speed within 3 feet of other cars without even a check of their skills once a decade.

There is no logic, only lobbyist stances to increase their income.

Cynical I know.
 
I wonder when we can expect MOSAIC to become law?
Does anyone accurately remember how long between LSA / sport pilot being proposed,
and it being adopted?
 
I wonder when we can expect MOSAIC to become law?
Does anyone accurately remember how long between LSA / sport pilot being proposed,
and it being adopted?
Unless a date certain is mandated by congress, it will take years. It's already been several years to this point. Don't kill the job, remember "We are not happy, until you are not happy."
 
I wonder when we can expect MOSAIC to become law?
Does anyone accurately remember how long between LSA / sport pilot being proposed,
and it being adopted?

The effort that resulted in LSA started out to expand Part 103. Years later, LSA!, and Part 103 was saddled with the loss of the 2 seat training exemption.
 
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