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How do you trim for short field?

Maybe I’m missing something here. 300hrs and 1800 landings? That’s like a landing every 10 seconds? I’m a low time
Cub pilot but I have been told by those with 10s of thousands of cub hours that a shorter strip needs a longer set up. Make it right. Maybe take some more time on your approach if your doing a landing every 10 seconds. (Or tell me
to go back to math class...which is possible too lol)

That's one landing every ten minutes.
Back to math class for you....
 
Go back to math class. One landing every 10 seconds is 360 in one hour. With your math it would only take 5 hours for 1800 landings. DENNY
 
A short strip should not need any longer setup then a long one if you have good technique. A three mile 747 approach is of little use in a cub.
DENNY
 
When I do the math it's one landing every 10 minutes.

To the original topic, I had a conversation recently with a guy about my electric trim. In my Cub the electric trim allows me to fly differently than I would with manual trim. I take off with full nose down trim. Add power, the tail instantly comes up, roll a little, pull back... I'm flying. With a touch on the thumb switch I trim to climb-out airspeed very easily. For landing I use full nose up trim. I haven't had any problems other than modulating throttle just a little stops a descent and makes the plane climb, but that's a pilot-induced problem. I'm not sure what I'll do on a cross windy day. Land diagonally... wrestle with the wind... turn tail and run... it'll depend on the day. It's all fun. Until it isn't.
 
Hahaha see I warned ya!! In my defense I did get 10 I just read it as seconds not minutes.
so one every 10 minutes. Got it. Gonna go print up some flash cards or download some math apps off my kids iPad...maybe it on on some zoom meeting math classes with my 12 year old.
 
1 landing every 10 minutes is still amazing, cant be done??? frozen 300 mile long lake with skis, maybe?
 
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1 landing every 10 minutes is still amazing, cant be done, frozen 300 mile long lake with skis, maybe?
I was wrong with my first post and didn’t wanna push it. But I had the same thought. Small pattern and all a guy does is pattern work or lake skipping I can see it. I’ve done 10 landings or so in a row on skis with a long lake but I’m a long way from a landing every 10 min.
 
When I am training for STOL comp I can usually do a pattern with full stop in 3 1/2 min. After 1/2 hour ADD kicks in and I stop or go to some high stall work. If others join the pattern it can take longer. DENNY
 
If we’re going to call out every pilot that embellishes a little, well....... What’s that saying, “I’ve told you a zillion times not to exaggerate!”
 
I was wrong with my first post and didn’t wanna push it. But I had the same thought. Small pattern and all a guy does is pattern work or lake skipping I can see it. I’ve done 10 landings or so in a row on skis with a long lake but I’m a long way from a landing every 10 min.


just trying to think how you could do the most takeoffs and landings in a short time and say get above 50 ft and thats the quickest way i can think of is with a long lake and skis.
 
When I was towing gliders all the time, easy to do 6 tows an hour to 2000 ATL with a PA-18-150, 8 tows an hour with the Pawnee. No issue doing a take off and landing every 10 minutes. I’ve had days where I did 42 tows or more.


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When I am training for STOL comp I can usually do a pattern with full stop in 3 1/2 min. After 1/2 hour ADD kicks in and I stop or go to some high stall work. If others join the pattern it can take longer. DENNY
This is how the math adds up. I'm at a private strip flying really short patterns for as long as my attention holds (usually 30 minutes to an hour) and then maybe do something else for a bit, but in general practicing is my hobby for now. I like going over and over in varying configurations trying to make it perfect, someday I'd like to take some long trips in my Cub but for now It's therapeutic enough (and attainable with the time and funds I have) just to go out and try to be better than I was last time. Might sound boring to some but it's good for me.
 
This is how the math adds up. I'm at a private strip flying really short patterns for as long as my attention holds (usually 30 minutes to an hour) and then maybe do something else for a bit, but in general practicing is my hobby for now. I like going over and over in varying configurations trying to make it perfect, someday I'd like to take some long trips in my Cub but for now It's therapeutic enough (and attainable with the time and funds I have) just to go out and try to be better than I was last time. Might sound boring to some but it's good for me.
Welcome back!

believe it or not, that practice with attention to being perfect, is what will make you a better pilot, teach you the plane, and eventually reduce your landing distance to the minimum. Now, at some point a light will go off in the back of your mind and you may realize that the risk/reward ratio changes when you find yourself well behind the power curve using full power to drag her over the trees and plan to touch at the end of the 3,000' runway; a student of mine liked to touch dead center on the numbers until he pulled carb heat and it killed the engine one cold day.

Now you have some time and practice, note that on cubs when you add brakes or the tail comes up on landing you will get fuel sloshing forward in the tanks which adds to the pitching forward. Less fuel equals less slosh.

Just for comparison, working hunting camps for the air taxi, our strips were all over 500', most were 600 for the cub. 4,000' elevation, most had reasonable approaches. Most also had a touchdown spot that was critical for one reason or another- so accuracy was key.
 
I have a friend who took a 150 Cub into a 400’ strip with obstacles at both ends. Not me - I have no desire to prove anything.

But I spend time each day in the pattern. It is like surfing, but not as cold, and definitely not as wet. On a really good windy day I can get stopped in one airplane length. Zero wind is more like 150 feet. J-3/ Stroker. It is just fun - 3000’ of asphalt.
 
Welcome back!

believe it or not, that practice with attention to being perfect, is what will make you a better pilot, teach you the plane, and eventually reduce your landing distance to the minimum. Now, at some point a light will go off in the back of your mind and you may realize that the risk/reward ratio changes when you find yourself well behind the power curve using full power to drag her over the trees and plan to touch at the end of the 3,000' runway; a student of mine liked to touch dead center on the numbers until he pulled carb heat and it killed the engine one cold day.

Now you have some time and practice, note that on cubs when you add brakes or the tail comes up on landing you will get fuel sloshing forward in the tanks which adds to the pitching forward. Less fuel equals less slosh.

Just for comparison, working hunting camps for the air taxi, our strips were all over 500', most were 600 for the cub. 4,000' elevation, most had reasonable approaches. Most also had a touchdown spot that was critical for one reason or another- so accuracy was key.

Thanks, life get's busy.

The past few years I've gone to about half of my time spent doing power off spot practice, I really enjoy it and it's improved my flying a lot. I don't have much practice over real obstructions, if you've ever been to easter South Dakota you'll know that trees are a bit rare here. the majority have been planted in rows to stop wind and erosion.
 
Just for chits and giggles I calculated how many minutes between my landings when I earned my private pilots license. 208 landings in 40.7 hours, once every 10 minutes. This year 31 hours 48 landings. Weather on the west coast of Alaska sucked this year..
 
Just for chits and giggles I calculated how many minutes between my landings when I earned my private pilots license. 208 landings in 40.7 hours, once every 10 minutes. This year 31 hours 48 landings. Weather on the west coast of Alaska sucked this year..
Out where you live you can land about every 200' if you are flying the beach!

How is your project coming?
 
Out where you live you can land about every 200' if you are flying the beach!

How is your project coming?
I keep changing it up. Went from borer prop to sensenich ground adjustable, Acme black opps struts, T3 tail suspension. And now Acme has an adjustable caster tail wheel suspension system I want… will make steering a baby bush wheel easier. The T3 has way to much caster angle due to my angle of attack at 3 point. Will be worse with even taller tires. Waiting on a carbon concepts cargo pod, should be about done. Just installed a pair of AV30’s. Need to find some white Ortex to patch the fabric when I install the lower longer on support clamps for the cargo pod rear straps. On the beach landings. I haven’t yet… to chicken, need to build some confidence. Maybe this next summer I can catch up with Arthur Alabama when he heads this way. The last time we were mowing the weeds down here a Blackhawk out of Bethel came down to check us out. They said so when asked. Was early in the spring and the beach was to rough for my set up. I do have a set of 29” Bushwheels to replace the 26” Goodyears. Bearhawk is slowly taking shape. And to keep with the subject of this thread…. I trim nose up when I’m dragging it in. I need to keep a good amount of pressure the my stick that comes out of the bottom of the instrument panel. At flare the yoke pressure is almost neutral. IMG_0453.webp
 
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Just lower your deck height. There is a happy medium, shorter grass equals a shorter ground run on takeoff, but a longer ground run on landing.
 
Every airplane is different, every load is different, every day is different. When lightly loaded my trim for landing is full nose up. Would I use that configuration when heavily loaded aft? Nope. Would a calm day be treated the same as a gusty crosswind day? Nope. Would the plane respond the same with power off as with power on? Nope. The only constant is that nothing stays the same.

Piloting is like dancing. We have to adapt to the music.

Merry Christmas.
 
Every airplane is different, every load is different, every day is different. When lightly loaded my trim for landing is full nose up. Would I use that configuration when heavily loaded aft? Nope. Would a calm day be treated the same as a gusty crosswind day? Nope. Would the plane respond the same with power off as with power on? Nope. The only constant is that nothing stays the same.

Piloting is like dancing. We have to adapt to the music.

Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas!
 
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