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Honest SuperCub vs. Husky comparisons

Taildraggaah

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Ok I know this is a loaded question to be asking on here but here goes. I have flown a few SuperCubs but never the Husky. How do they compare? It seems that people that I speak with that fly the SuperCub first, seem to dislike the Husky, just my observation. But the same can't be said when someone flies the Husky first and then the SuperCub. Any objective comparisons out there?
 
There are some pretty lengthy threads on the subject in the archives. Try a search on the subject. No sense in starting it all over again. It will be the same hot air on both sides. If you live any where near SW Michigan come on over and I'll let you fly one so you can make your own decision.
 
Honestly, the best plan would be to go fly one with someone who knows how to fly the airplane. Most dealers would be happy to give you a demo flight.

MTV
 
Taildraggaah--

Where are you for starters? that would help to help you..... uuuuumm does that make sense ? :crazyeyes:
 
Taildraggaah said:
Ok I know this is a loaded question to be asking on here but here goes. I have flown a few SuperCubs but never the Husky. How do they compare? It seems that people that I speak with that fly the SuperCub first, seem to dislike the Husky, just my observation. But the same can't be said when someone flies the Husky first and then the SuperCub. Any objective comparisons out there?

The short explanation is that you can fly a Cub like a Husky but you can not fly a Husky like a Cub.
 
hottshot said:
Taildraggaah--

Where are you for starters? that would help to help you..... uuuuumm does that make sense ? :crazyeyes:

You mean in the buying process or in experience?

I am starting to look at different aircraft and evaluate what I like and dislike. I have 6000+ hours with just shy of 500 tailwheel in various models. I am not ready to buy yet, so I don't want to bug a dealer, and there is no place local that offers instruction in a husky. I think in my travels for work I am just going to try to take a lesson somewhere.

My question was more of what do people like/dislike about the Husky vs. like/dislike about the SuperCub? Alot of people say, "you can fly a SuperCub like a husky but..." not to shoot that down but could you be a bit more specific...
 
Taildraggaah said:
hottshot said:
Taildraggaah--

Where are you for starters? that would help to help you..... uuuuumm does that make sense ? :crazyeyes:

You mean in the buying process or in experience?

I am starting to look at different aircraft and evaluate what I like and dislike. I have 6000+ hours with just shy of 500 tailwheel in various models. I am not ready to buy yet, so I don't want to bug a dealer, and there is no place local that offers instruction in a husky. I think in my travels for work I am just going to try to take a lesson somewhere.

My question was more of what do people like/dislike about the Husky vs. like/dislike about the SuperCub? Alot of people say, "you can fly a SuperCub like a husky but..." not to shoot that down but could you be a bit more specific...

No...like are you sitting at a desk or on the beach and where is that on earth.
 
Taildraggaah said:
My question was more of what do people like/dislike about the Husky vs. like/dislike about the SuperCub? Alot of people say, "you can fly a SuperCub like a husky but..." not to shoot that down but could you be a bit more specific...

Check out this thread in it's entirety. It will answer alot of those questions.
http://www.supercub.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=11191&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In a nut shell,
To get optimum performance from the Husky it needs to be flown with precision. A Cub will let you get away with being sloppy.
For the average guy a Husky will do any thing a Cub will do and get there faster to do it.
The bad... the trim system SUCKS and I don't care what anybody says, with single pilot, half tanks or more, nothing in the cargo, they are nose heavy. Add to that awesome brakes and a bit faster on approach and your more likely to put one on it's back than a Cub until you get a handle on it.
Parts availability is factory only, the Cub has million suppliers.
For my mission the Husky is fine but I could also get along with a 90hp J3.
Oh yea, you have to be pretty strong skinned around here if you have a Husky, even if you are an experienced Cub guy.
 
[quote="behindpropellers"No...like are you sitting at a desk or on the beach and where is that on earth./quote]

thanks smartass if you have nothing of value to add then stick to wasting oxygen...
 
Don't get your patties in a bunch...

He was just kidding around, that's his job around here.

He outta be out workin on his airplane instead of sitting on the computer :D
 
Taledrger thanks I read that thread and it answers alot of my questions. Unlike some folks on here I am not looking to do "hardcore" bushflying, but rather some grass strips and just fun tailwheel flying.
 
Taildraggaah said:
[quote="behindpropellers"No...like are you sitting at a desk or on the beach and where is that on earth./quote]

thanks smartass if you have nothing of value to add then stick to wasting oxygen...


Howdy Taildraggaah,

Sorry you took issue with my good friend BehindPropellers ,,,,
When you accumulate a bit more than 20 posts on this site you
will learn when folks are trying to help you and not give in
to personal attacks. BProps has a hell of a lot of info he would
be glad to share with you.
 
Taildraggaah said:
[quote="behindpropellers"No...like are you sitting at a desk or on the beach and where is that on earth./quote]

thanks smartass if you have nothing of value to add then stick to wasting oxygen...


EZ there hot rod, where are you as in where are you located, there are a bunch of people around this sight that would be more than likely to give you a chance to take a ride in their bird and let you see the differences for your self

soooo where are you? GPS lat /long may be to much info just a general will do I think....... :crazyeyes: :crazyeyes:
 
And, THAT is the point: Where, specifically, in space and geography, are you living?

It doesn't really matter all that much to a dealer if you are going to buy today or tomorrow, or in a couple years. Most of them would happily give you an introduction to the airplane, as would several folks on this site, IF you would simply note what part of the country you live in.

If you are unwilling to provide that information on this site (Hey, I too am in the Federal Witness Protection Program, so have to be a little careful :) ), then go to Aviat Aircraft's site, and look at their dealer listing. Dealers are restricted to their territories, so you probably should talk to the one in your 'hood.

Otherwise, ask SPECIFIC questions, and maybe someone can answer them. If it isn't covered on that previous thread, that is.

General questions are pretty hard to respond to without writing a book on here.

MTV
 
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BTW Mike Great Article in PG :angel:
 
Everyone here is too cool. One guy lashes out with a rude comment to someone who is trying to figure out if they're neighbors and instead of retaliating, everyone kills him with kindness :D

Ditto on the article, Mike!
 
I kinda like the Husky, and I am a confirmed Cub guy. I think the only real surprise will be that if you do not like to slow up on approach, you will land at the other end of the airport. My Husky students are operating daily on 600' one-way airstrips.

I think, with proper flaps, the Husky would beat the Super Cub. The flap extension is restricted, much like the C180 would be if it had to be certificated today. If you work at it, the Super Cub flaps can be made to really hang down, which means you can approach at any speed you want and still land on the old spot.
 
So I have to ask, how easy is it to switch a husky floats to wheels and back?

A cub, you take half a day and a couple of :drinking: sixpacks. Or a couple of days and a bunch of sixpacks, depending on the helpers.

I did not like the husky flap digging into my calf.

I did not like the fact that every time I pulled on carb heat my finger got the skin ripped off of it, (for a 120k plane eight years ago, that was bad).

I did not like the husky losing all alieron control at 40 mph :crazyeyes:

I did not like trying to pick up the tail, for any reason :oops:

I did not like waiting for parts, and waiting, and waiting,

The A1B had about the same gross weight as a cub, hummmmm

so, I did like the speed, but hand proping the 0360 sucks.

The cabin space is about the same, seats same, hit my head everywhere, including above.

Mods are non-existent, is there a pod? extra baggage? any of the cool stuff for a cub?

Gear is a bit more fragile, and hard to take off in the field, and harder to put on.

For simple, grass strips, rip around the country and fly in normal operations, it does it well, and quick.

Go fly a couple, guys here, those confirmed husky pilots :angel: would be glad to convert another to the fold.

Come north and we can take the cub out on floats until october, then wheels.
 
Sorry to everyone on the board. Being new to this forum I took the comment the wrong way. I have been on other boards asking the same question and I got a "barrage" of wisecracks. So I wrongly assumed that I was getting the same treatment. I appreciate all the responses and feedback.
 
Taledraggah,

No problem, lots of boards are like that. We have outgrown that around here for the most part, but we do have our days! Just wait until we get close to the election.. :o

It used to be if you said "Husky", it started a flaming war of biblical proportions. We all really have grown up around here - still plenty of opinions - but a lot better delivery of them!

sj
 
Howdy TD,

Great to have you aboard, TD!

Since AK pointed out his findings on the flaws of a Husky,
I'll try for a few with the Cub.

1. Requires too much time away from television.
2. Long conversations with complete strangers at fuel stops
greatly lengthen cross countries.
3. Organizations with folks who become close friends across the
country requiring more time away from television.
4. Minutes adding to hours spent just sitting quietly in the Cub
after a flight thinking that you have to be the luckiest guy
in the world.
5. Wilbur's margarita machine ......
 
Those are all good points Joe. Where did you get that picture of Elvis that you are using in your avatar?
 
akTango makes some interesting points, but I'd like to meet the Husky he was flying if some of those are true :lol: .

Headroom: Sit in a Husky, then sit in a Cub. Especially in the back seat. I've sat in both, wearing helmets, A LOT. No comparison for this 5 ft 8 dwarf, at least. In the Cub, I have to bend my neck to fit in the back seat, as in all the time, unless I take out all the cushions. In the front of the Cub, space is a little better, but still marginal wearing a helmet. I'm always amazed that tall people fly these things at all, but I've known some REALLY tall folks who fly Cubs, so this is a personal comfort thing. Nevertheless, the Husky has WAY more headroom in both seats.

Otherwise, he's right about space inside being about the same in the passenger compartment.

Modified Cubs have more baggage space than a stock Husky, and that space is more useable. But, the Husky does have quite a bit of baggage space.

Uh--akTango: "The A1B had about the same gross weight as a cub, hummmmm "???? Uh, last I checked, the Cub gross weight on wheels is 1750, and the A-1B Husky is 2000. Course, you can spend a wad and add the Wipline GW kit to your Cub (a great idea, by hte way) and it's 2000 now. Maybe that's what you meant. Oh, by the way, the A-1C (which all new wing airplanes will be eligible for) is a 2200 pound GW airplane. Cost to upgrade is about the same as the Wip kit for the Cub.

Changing gear from wheels to floats sucks on the Husky, but Burl now makes gear for the Husky with his AOSS device. Changes just like a Cub gear does now. That is available on new Huskys from the factory as an option, or you can add it.

What was it you said about no mods available? These are a lot newer airplanes than the Cub, so you're right--there are less mods. But, the Husky is born with an O-360, which it seems every Cub guy wants, so...

Ailerons go away at 40 mph??? Holy crud, Husky ailerons hang on well into a walking pace. I've had a wing pick up in a gusty wind, and put it right back down with the ailerons in a Husky. Cub ailerons, on the other hand, especially on a heavily modded wing, sometimes really suck. If the wing mods are done right, they aren't bad, and VG's help for sure.

The flaps on a Husky are huge. They are semi Fowler flaps, not simple flaps, like on the Cub. They are extremely effective LIFT devices. The size of the flaps (nearly twice the size of Cub flaps) and the Fowler design are the reasons for limiting extension to 30 degrees. If you can "tweak" Cub flaps to extend further than designed, you could with a Husky as well. Neither would be legal, of course.

The tail on the Husky is HEAVY. No argument there at all.

Hand propping an O-360 isn't any more difficult than propping a 320. The problem with the Husky is that they index the prop at the factory at 12 and 6, which does suck for propping. You can legally and easily re-index the prop however, or better yet, install an MT composite prop and lighten it up at the same time. Makes the tail even heavier, though :angel: .

I agree on the controls on some Huskys. Note that a lot of this stuff is done by the dealers, trying to cram everything in the world in the panel. Doesn't have to be that way, and very few Cubs have stock controls, either.

There are a lot of mods for Cubs, no question. But, there is an extended baggage for the Husky, floats, wheels and skis are all on the TC, as in SEVERAL sizes of tires. Try getting field approval to put 8.50 tires or Goodyear 26 on a CUb in some districts. Good luck there.

The Cub is a bit easier to operate on wheels into short strips than the Husky, without doubt. Speed in the Husky is critical on approach, though the MT prop and the new wing really make a HUGE difference in this regard. Cub is still easier to work short on wheels.

On floats or skis, the Husky really shines. Takeoff performance is excellent in these demanding areas. Climb performance is much better than a stock Cub, and generally better than even a 180 Cub. This really helps on floats or skis.

Either is a great airplane, no doubt, and a lot of fun to fly. EIther will do pretty much whatever you ask it to do.

You can spend as much on either one as you care to, and have a great fun machine.

Take yer pick.

For those who haven't flown a new wing Husky, you should.

MTV
 
First thing I would do is call and see if you could insure it at a rate you would be willing to pay.

May want to look at a Scout. I just read their add and they say they can do just about anything a cub or husky does for 50k less money.

If you can get past the wings being pop riveted together and all the screws in the cowling it may be the plane for you.

If you buy a older one it cost alot of money to up grade anything on it.

If you do buy a Husky it may still be depreciating instead of appreciating in price.

Im sure the new wing husky flies great. However for the money it takes to get into one I would keep my cub and buy a Cessna.

If ya ding it who are you gonna have fix it and where do you get the parts?
 
kase said:
First thing I would do is call and see if you could insure it at a rate you would be willing to pay.

May want to look at a Scout. I just read their add and they say they can do just about anything a cub or husky does for 50k less money.

If you can get past the wings being pop riveted together and all the screws in the cowling it may be the plane for you.

If you buy a older one it cost alot of money to up grade anything on it.

If you do buy a Husky it may still be depreciating instead of appreciating in price.

Im sure the new wing husky flies great. However for the money it takes to get into one I would keep my cub and buy a Cessna.

If ya ding it who are you gonna have fix it and where do you get the parts?

For most if not all who have bought Husky's, the above considerations are of no consequence.

The rest of us who stir the stick in a Husky every now and again are still trying to decide if compromising the over-the-nose visibility and precision short/tight work-ability of the Cub is worth the cruise speed advantage of the Husky.

I have yet to fly the new wing.

Ditto what MTV said, and most of AKTango's remarks, except I wonder what Husky AKTango had bad low-speed ailerons in. They're pretty good sans-VG and rock solid WITH VG's.

DMC
 
I owned a 2000 A1B with original wing, it was nice. I partnered on a PA-18 for a while, handling was very sloppy comparatively, especially in roll. This may have been a rigging issue so I am not shooting at the PA-18. It is the only one that I ever flew. I purchased a new wing A1B a few months ago, Wow, what a difference.

I too mostly fly grass strips and an occasional pasture or river sand bar, but not anything that resembles real bush work. This week I went to my San Antonio office and my Austin office. Fort Worth was clear, but it was 13ovc at both San Antonio and Austin when I was scheduled to arrive. So, I filed, flew above the cloud deck, made an ILS approach to both airports and was able to make my trip. Check out flightaware for the flight times. N710MA. At 8000 MSL 22"/2300 burning 10.2 GPH 112KTAS. I could run a little less fuel, but choose to run a little more fuel and a little less risk with cylinder replacement later on.

When I returned to FWS, I landed on the grass strip with 10 kts on the nose, total distance from my chosen point of landing was about 175', this was not actual distance from contact but from chosen target point. I checked the distance with the reflectors on the runway edge (I have previously measured them). Controlling airspeed is very critical to landing on target as mentioned by others.

Not too many PA-18's with IFR cert, not that I advocate the A1B as an ideal IFR platform, but a little light duty IFR is fine.

If you happen to live in Texas near DFW or Austin or San Antonio, let me know and I will get you a ride.
 
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