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Gary's Super Cub Rebuild

ATCT said:
I may have missed it (I miss everything according to my wife, but thats another ball game) but the mod I love the most is the battery under the seat from Atlee Dodge. Knocked a few pounds off my cub when I did that last year. I also like adding a chart tray (which was done to mine prior to me buying it) by your right knee.

Enjoy the cub project! What airport are you working out of?

Clint
Big T Airpark - Senoia, GA
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Clint,
I don't have an identifier but my strip is located exactly at KANDY Intersection. 107 NM ENE of your 64GA. 3000' grass/14-32/ recommend landing uphill on 32(drops 60' in 3000')/480'msl/. Drop in sometime.

My friend, Greg Connel brought his Wolf Pitts into your strip earlier this week..said it was a butt tightener!

I haven't decided on battery location. Some say that it's best to keep it in back for CG. Personally, seems it would be better to locate under seat and sneak in a little weight in the tail somewhere. It would take less weight overall to achieve the same purpose.

I'm planning to work in some type of storage compartment on the right side as you mention.

Would love to see some pics of your cub. you can email to gward@nu-z.net

Gary
 
Southern Aero said:
Hi Gary

Don't know if you remember me but I met you a few times at the fly ins down in Newnan. Last time I saw you you had the Giles here. Just happened to recognize your name and looked at the chat........... FWIW ....... I am not fond of powder coating fuselages for most reasons others have expressed. .......... blast, prime and paint where necessary. PC is usually too thick and doesn't get into inside corners well.......... but it is pretty. As for oiling the longerons, I wouldn't consider not oiling them, 2 or 3 ounces of tubeseal will show you ANY pinhole in a newly blasted fuselage and you can address it. If you don't address it, the longeron will "breathe" with pressure and temp changes and trap moisture inside the tube. Time will do the rest. I recently cut open a longeron on a damaged 1929 Stinson and the longeron was absolutely perfect internally.......... it was sealed and oiled. Pinholes in the fuselage will show up when heated in the PC oven, bad time. Next time you are near Newnan stop by the shop, over on Tailwheel Alley next to Tom's hangar where all the food was! Lots of Cub/Piper stuff here. There is suppose to be another fly in here this year. Hard to plan anything with this friggin flight school here now.

Wayne
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Wayne, I think I remember you. That's been over 10 years ago. I used to come up to Newnan a lot. We had some good times at Tom's hangar parties. I'll drop in sometime. Let me know about the fly in.

Thanks for your input on powder coating. I have pretty much decided to sandblast, prime and paint. I found a shop in the boondocks near Athens that does a great job at a reasonable price. Custom Ceramics and Powder Coating.

Gary
 
Gary

Come on down tomorrow........... gonna be blasting a J3 fuselage, if I get the birdcage finished today! We can add it to the pile!

Wayne
 
Southern Aero said:
Gary

Come on down tomorrow........... gonna be blasting a J3 fuselage, if I get the birdcage finished today! We can add it to the pile!

Wayne
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Thanks. I would love to but gonna be busy practicing and getting ready to head down to SNF. I'm flying the show on Tue and Wed.

Gary
 
Gary Ward said:
Thanks. I would love to but gonna be busy practicing and getting ready to head down to SNF. I'm flying the show on Tue and Wed.

Gary
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Rower and Buck have been practicing here this week, don't know what days(s) they are flying. I'm headed down wed. Maybe see you there. Which plane you flying there? I get up to SC occasionally, might be passing sorta nearby....... would like to see your project.

Wayne
 
Gary,
Great chatting with you quickly at SnF! I'll send pictures as soon as I can. My cub is sitting up on Lake Hood. Yeah the strip is a little short for the Pitts guys (2,000) but a great place to enjoy a quiet evening! Anyone on here is welcome to drop in for some sweet tea or stronger libation as soon as my hangar is up and running.
 
ATCT said:
Gary,
Great chatting with you quickly at SnF! I'll send pictures as soon as I can. My cub is sitting up on Lake Hood. Yeah the strip is a little short for the Pitts guys (2,000) but a great place to enjoy a quiet evening! Anyone on here is welcome to drop in for some sweet tea or stronger libation as soon as my hangar is up and running.
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Clint, Likewise, it was great to meet and talk with you at SNF. My friend, Greg Connell, brought his hot rod Pitts in there a couple weeks ago. If he can do it, so can I with the MX2. So, do you keep your SC at Lake Hood all the time? Will you be up there this summer? I'm flying the show at Elmendorf/Anchorage last weekend in July. I plan to go up a few days early and hang out at Talkeetna with some friends there.

Gary
 
Southern Aero said:
Rower and Buck have been practicing here this week, don't know what days(s) they are flying. I'm headed down wed. Maybe see you there. Which plane you flying there? I get up to SC occasionally, might be passing sorta nearby....... would like to see your project.

Wayne
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Wayne, sorry, just saw your post. I flew the MX2 down to SNF. I live in Lincolnton, GA. My airstrip is located at KANDY intersection...no identifier. Ed Fisher is doing my SC project. He is at Whiteplains airport, Gilbert, SC, near Columbia. SC99.

Gary
 
Every time we've powder coated it rusted underneath. It's hard to get off also. Not like metalizing but pretty tough. IMO.
 
Gary Ward said:
Wayne, sorry, just saw your post. I flew the MX2 down to SNF. I live in Lincolnton, GA. My airstrip is located at KANDY intersection...no identifier. Ed Fisher is doing my SC project. He is at Whiteplains airport, Gilbert, SC, near Columbia. SC99.

Gary
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Hi Gary

I hate I missed your show. I got to Lakeland just as it started to rain the night show out on weds. Matt with the Triple Tree bunch said he talked to you thursday. I looked for the guys with the blue and white SC that was at the ultralight area too but never hooked up..... nice plane. I talked with Ed and did some last minute graphics for him a few years back ........... was for Sebring or Lakeland show I think.

I didn't get the J3 done (almost!) before I left so I better get after it.............. so I can blast and prime while the WX is good
 
Sorry you missed me, I met a few SC orgers while we were there. Had a blast beating up on the JUST aircraft guys!

-Jay (Blue and White Cub in the ultralight area)
 
Gary,
I was a controller at Anchorage Approach/Departure for the past 5 years, just transferred to Atlanta Approach/Departure. I kept the cub on Lake Hood while living there. A buddy of mine is flying her to Airventure-Oshkosh where I am picking her up and bringing her back to Senoia. I bet there are a few people on here who could show ya a good time around the "Big Village on the Cook" in a super cub while you're up at Elmo! Hopefully my cub will be in Wisconsin at that point!
 
You going to miss PANC Clint? I do, I retired from CKS flying the 74's in from VHHH/UHHH. Already miss my 4 day layovers there.
 
Going to miss it? I already do! I don't miss the workplace but I sure do miss those sunrises (when I got to see them...the radar room has a few disadvantages!) over the Chugach sipping a hot mug of coffee in the tower. I don't miss working those heavy connie -200's! They didn't get eastbound turns til damn near Skwentna it seems like! You guys always treated us right, so no real complaints!
 
Tim,
The cub will be about 15 west of oshkosh on my buddies cousin's farm. If the weather is good and I can stick around the area a day or two, I'll drop into New Holstein in the Super Cub for a bit and say hello before heading south!
 
Light means tough decisions.

Powder coat is heavier than light paint. Not much, but every pound...

metal belly is weight.

Metal headliner is weight.

Metal side panels, and wing roots is weight.

Cross bars, 3rd seat is weight.

Big radio stuff is weight.

Wire is weight.

Wing ribs other than piper's are weight, as are larger tanks.

Engine upgrades often become weight.

So ask yourself, what you going to do with the plane??? Are you going to carry full loads all over the place? You going to ride the wind by yourself and gawk? You going to sit the plane in the line at the local airport and brag about how light she is?

Be sure the seatbelt attach points are to the frame, and front and rear are exposed for easy attaching. Use fabric instead of aluminum interior unless you will be using it as a truck. Much lighter. Call Randy Appling and get his CF extended baggage, it will save you many pounds. I did a weight comparison to an Atlee baggage, and Randy's was lighter than the trim it took for Atlee's.

Move all switches to the panel, limit the radios to the smallest/lightest you can get away with. Go minimal instruments, as in what is required, and use electric instead of steam because they are lighter. Get a hand held GPS and a Dynon if you really want to feel instrument flying. Have Randy make you a CF panel also, and again, make it as small as possible, with switch breakers.

Tires are heavy, so maybe consider smaller if you are not off airport. Also, rear baggage door- how much do you need it?

Battery under the seat, less cable to run, lighter. B&c gear alternator, led lights, B&C starter (or had prop if 150 Hp), limit the amount of wires, switches and such. If she is light in the tail when empty put a 5 gallon jug of water aft when light.

Empty weight allows more payload, and better performance when empty. When you are full it is all the same.
 
Hi Gary,

Have you considered using fuse blocks (B&C) rather than push-pull breakers? They don't take any panel space and easier to install and maintain. You will still need toggle switches.
 
I was planning to see what the options are as opposed to using push-pull breakers plus toggle switches. I'm not exactly sure how the fuse blocks work. Are they incorporated with the toggle switches? Simpler is almost always better.

Gary
 
No, they are not a switch-breaker, they are better. If you use a fuse block (or two) to distribute power it already has a buss-bar built into it and enclosed within the fuse block. Lots of builders think switch-breakers save time and space, but they usually do not. There is not a faster, cheaper, or neater wiring combination than using switches and a fuse block.

I've attached (I think) a link to their fuse block info from their online catalog.
http://www.bandc.aero/fuseholder6-slot.aspx

Here is a simple diagram which can be easily used as a base for a Super Cub. It comes from B&C's website's "reference library" section. It is the VFR diagram.
http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf

You'd use the fuse block(s) rather than a buss bar & breakers. Study the diagram and maybe you'll see the logic. You'll still need switches. Also take a look at their ANL40 current limiters and how they use them.

If you don't have it, get a copy of "The AeroElectric Connection" by Bob Nuckolls, and a copy of B&C's catalog. If you'll send me a PM with your phone number I can call you and maybe be of some help.
 
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Jasperfield said:
No, they are not a switch-breaker, they are better. If you use a fuse block (or two) to distribute power it already has a buss-bar built into it and enclosed within the fuse block. Lots of builders think switch-breakers save time and space, but they usually do not. There is not a faster, cheaper, or neater wiring combination than using switches and a fuse block.

I've attached (I think) a link to their fuse block info from their online catalog.
http://www.bandc.aero/fuseholder6-slot.aspx

Here is a simple diagram which can be easily used as a base for a Super Cub. It comes from B&C's website's "reference library" section. It is the VFR diagram.
http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf

You'd use the fuse block(s) rather than a buss bar & breakers. Study the diagram and maybe you'll see the logic. You'll still need switches. Also take a look at their ANL40 current limiters and how they use them.

If you don't have it, get a copy of "The AeroElectric Connection" by Bob Nuckolls, and a copy of B&C's catalog. If you'll send me a PM with your phone number I can call you and maybe be of some help.
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Thanks. I will check this out. I am keeping my SC Certified; is it good for Certified?
Gary
 
CAR 3 aircraft so I don't think its an issue.

I do take issue with the fuse block type of wiring. This is the type of electrical distribution system used on cars, machinery, etc. On aircraft with push-pull breakers or glass fuses, the individual circuits can be de-energized without having to shut down the master switch. This is the same reason I don't like Cessna's push only breakers. In flight, a single circuit with 'issues' can be shut off and all other circuits are unaffected. A circuit breaker that pops out also shows you which circuit is at fault. And don't blow off the convenience of being able to clear a fault and just reset the breaker. Even glass fuses can be changed in flight (as long as they are mounted in the panel). A fuse panel mounted under the panel is going to be inaccessible until you're on the ground.
Figure out how many switch breakers or push-pull breakers you will be needing and see how much room they will require. Switch breakers only com in one physical size that I'm aware of. For push pull breakers, check out the Klixon 7277 series. Put them in a row and they can all be tied together with a simple copper strip.

Web
 
I have some decisions that I must make very quickly on my PA-18/160HP Project

Alternator: I want to go with a rear mounted alternator. What are my options here on a Certified Aircraft.

Exhaust system: Best Option?

Are there any options on Oil Filter adapters?

Thanks,

Gary
 
Plane power makes a 30 amp rear mounted alt, you will have to get a field approval for it. I have a copy of one.

Sutton exhaust.

Casper labs or b&c rear mounted filter. You don't have all the hoses of an airwolf oil filter.
 
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