Fuel Trailer
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irishfield
BENEFACTOR
Penetanguishene, Ontario Canada
cubdriver2
FRIEND
upstate NY
Find a big truck junk yard, side tank 150 - 250 gal mount on trailer or stick in pickup when needed.
Glenn
Glenn
tophand
Registered User
Northwest South Dakota
I've thought of that. How clean do you suppose you would have to get the tank? I mean to get the diesel out. A tank full for the pickups. Then fuel for the plane?
......Mike
cubdriver2
FRIEND
upstate NY
You put a pump on it or let it feed by gravity but put a filter on it if you think you need it, I use the same cans for my diesel tractor as I do for the plane and use 1000 gal a year for the plane but every other fill up the cans have diesel in them, 19 years no problem. I have a 150 gal Al big rig tank with a 12V pump that I put in the back of the pickup and went into town to fill at a gas station and would bring back to my hangar and fill the 300gal ground tank, but lately I'm too broke to buy 150 gal at one time so I'm back to cans on the weekend.
Glenn
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mvivion
FOUNDER
Bozeman,MT
How tough are your DOT folks in Texas? It's hard to find a legal GASOLINE tank that can be moved over the road LEGALLY. That's why all the pickup tanks you see for sale in stores say "Diesel fuel only" or some such. The venting requirements for gasoline tanks is very different than it is for diesel.
In most states, I doubt this would be an issue, but a trailer is going to have to be licensed......might want to do some research at least.
MTV
In most states, I doubt this would be an issue, but a trailer is going to have to be licensed......might want to do some research at least.
MTV
185 Bushbird
Registered User
Surfside SPB-Minneapolis, MN
Look at www.atitank.com We have 3 of these 110 gallon mounted on trailers, plus a 500 gallon bulk tank in Florida for our winter float & airboat operation. These tanks are legal to haul gasoline, DOT approved on the highway. You can haul up to 119 gallons legally, i have 93 octane no-ethanol and 100 LL delivered to me but also go to the gas station if we run short at times. The quality is excellent on these tanks also.
Brian
Brian
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StewartB
A bulk plant operator refused to fuel my old 135 gallon tank. He recited the regulations to me and 118 gallons sticks in my mind as my legal maximum. My current tank is 100 gallons and nobody's given me any problems since I changed to it.
If you buy a commercially available tank that's placarded diesel only you'll need to modify the filler cap to allow pressure to vent. The stock caps will hold an alarming amount of internal pressure without leaking. Enough to deform a steel fuel tank. A simple hole drilled through the gasket and sealing flange on the cap solves that problem nicely. Mine's been in my trucks for about 10 years and works fine.
SB
If you buy a commercially available tank that's placarded diesel only you'll need to modify the filler cap to allow pressure to vent. The stock caps will hold an alarming amount of internal pressure without leaking. Enough to deform a steel fuel tank. A simple hole drilled through the gasket and sealing flange on the cap solves that problem nicely. Mine's been in my trucks for about 10 years and works fine.
SB
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Paul Heinrich
SPONSOR
Illinois & Wisconsin
When I was giving seaplane rides in my Beaver in Wisconsin, I researched portable fuel tanks extensively and found that it was impossible to legally fill a tank at the airport and transport the fuel to my seaplane facility in any economical volume. I also looked into having one of those prefab. fuel farm tanks installed on my property, but the regulatory licensing and monitoring requirements and the Zoning hassles were overwhelming.
I solved the problem by "renting" an underground tank they used for snowmobile fuel in the winter at the local tavern, which was about a half mile from my lake house. I would have the local petroleum dealer split a load of 100 LL with the local airport -- I would get 1000 gallons at a time and I paid the same wholesale price as the FBO. From there I would fill up a 150 gallon tank in the back of my beater pickup and pump it into the plane. Worked great -- Beavers suck too much gas to use cans.
I solved the problem by "renting" an underground tank they used for snowmobile fuel in the winter at the local tavern, which was about a half mile from my lake house. I would have the local petroleum dealer split a load of 100 LL with the local airport -- I would get 1000 gallons at a time and I paid the same wholesale price as the FBO. From there I would fill up a 150 gallon tank in the back of my beater pickup and pump it into the plane. Worked great -- Beavers suck too much gas to use cans.
cubdriver2
FRIEND
upstate NY
Looks like a nice setup.
Glenn
Glenn
Bugs66
Registered User
Spokane WA
These look pretty good. I would consider an 80 gal refueler for my p/u truck. I am starting to seek out E0/91oct. Hard to find in Spokane but can get in nearby Idaho. The tanks seem to be around $550 + 150.00 shipping. Will try to find local source for tanks.
185 Bushbird
Registered User
Surfside SPB-Minneapolis, MN
Bugs - There is one company in California that i also found that build legal gasoline transport pickup fuel tanks also. There is a price to pay if you want to try be legal, look at certified airplanes, maintainence and insurance that goes along with them??
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StewartB
For an average guy that's carrying 100 gallons what differentiates a "legal" tank from any other commercially available transfer tanks?
SB
SB
Bugs66
Registered User
Spokane WA
Hey Bill, sure!
Regarding tanks, I would also like to know why one tank is "legal" and the other isn't.
Here is a pump that seems popular: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200322214_200322214
Regarding tanks, I would also like to know why one tank is "legal" and the other isn't.
Here is a pump that seems popular: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200322214_200322214
Ursa Major
Registered User
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
I think that particular pump is designed for diesel and solvent, although I know folks use them for gas. Seems like I remember the pickup tube on them was PVC rather than steel. I use the 15gpm fillrite pump and it has worked flawlessly for years.
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StewartB
My red FillRite is listed for gasoline. It's been a good pump but the locking arm is a joke. The illusion of security. The difference between the 10gpm and 15gpm is in 1" or 3/4" plumbing. A 15gpm pump with a 3/4" elbow or nipple is a 10gpm. Think about that before you pay extra for more output. That tidbit is from experience with owning both.
SB
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Bugs66
Registered User
Spokane WA
Mike, where did you get your fuel tank? These ATI pumps look nice and are low profile: http://www.atitank.com/fuel_tank_accessories.html
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StewartB
If you buy an ATI make sure you always carry an impeller replacement kit with you. You'll need it. I've had two of those pumps. Why two? I was a slow learner.
SB
SB
Ursa Major
Registered User
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
I got my tank at Greer tank in Anchorage. Good tank, but $$$$. Don't have any experience with the ATI pumps but the Fill-Rite has worked well for me. I agree with Stewart on the locking arm and the 3/4" plumbing reduction to 10 gpm. It still fills faster than any gas station pump I've ever used.
irishfield
BENEFACTOR
Penetanguishene, Ontario Canada
Another vote for Fillrite... installed mine in 1993 and it's pumped a lot of 80/87 and 100LL since then. Not a hickup and the meter is dead on as well.. ..know so as I fill a lot of 20 litre cans for camp.
185 Bushbird
Registered User
Surfside SPB-Minneapolis, MN
Stewart - As for legal, Attitank has the DOT approval placard on the tank and they give you the paperwork to carry with you also. That is the story they told me, let the lawmen sort it out, you seem to have different rules in AK . I just try to stay somewhat legal if i can being i run a commercial operation. For not much more $$ and a better quality tank, why not. I am going to buy another and keep in MN also either in the truck or on a trailer. I have 3 fillrite and 1 GPI electric pumps, stay with fillrite. I also have 2 GPI hand pumps for the arctic trips, they work fine.
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StewartB
Brian, I wasn't being facetious, I really wanted to know. I've been told the DOT rules don't apply to non-commercial vehicles but hazmat limits do. You're the only other person I can remember who's referred to the 118/119 gallon rule. It was recited to me but I've never been able to find it in writing. That's what I was hoping for, a clear, written regulation for review. In any case legal doesn't scare me as much as liable does. I've been through a drawn-out fuel spill remediation. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Stewart
Stewart
185 Bushbird
Registered User
Surfside SPB-Minneapolis, MN
Stuart - I am not sure either, but it looks better if i have the paperwork and placards. All i know is Northern Tool tanks says not legal for gasoline, so i went with the more legal route??? I am going to fill the floatplanes now for a days flying in sunny Forida, but i can't wait to get back to MN and play with other toys!
aktango58
FRIEND
18AA
Stewart,
it is not a gallon rule, but a weight rule. I do not remember the exact working, but if you ask the local scales, or call the State of AK Commercial guys they will tell you over 1001 lbs of fuel and container needs placards, and the correct placards. This is also why you hear different gallon amounts, because diesel and gas weigh different.
Remember, these placards are for the emergency crew that shows up when things have gone bad....
it is not a gallon rule, but a weight rule. I do not remember the exact working, but if you ask the local scales, or call the State of AK Commercial guys they will tell you over 1001 lbs of fuel and container needs placards, and the correct placards. This is also why you hear different gallon amounts, because diesel and gas weigh different.
Remember, these placards are for the emergency crew that shows up when things have gone bad....
