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Early career: Looking for an interesting/tailwheel CFI/Pilot job

alexstoll

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Hey folks, just what it says in the title. I'm 27, have about 500 hours in my logbook, CFI, commercial multi, 300+ hours tailwheel, just need a few night hours to be at 135 VFR mins. CFII written taken and it wouldn't take long for me to get that rating done. I'm based in Salt Lake but willing to move. Lots of time in the Cessna 120 I got my ratings in, plus a mix of Super Cub and 185 time running around the Utah desert strips. Also spent about 50 hours last summer sweating and towing gliders in a CallAir A9B (Pawnee-ish for those unfamiliar). The rest of my time is a mix of 172, 182, Cherokee, etc. I've been offered jobs instructing at the schools I've gone through to get some of my ratings, but I'm here hoping to find something a little more interesting. Definitely willing to move and I feel a strong pull towards Alaska - I worked at Red Dog Mine and spent a summer fishing Bristol Bay in college. I'm currently working for an A&P IA buddy in his shop, so I'm somewhat useful at getting regular maintenance jobs done.

I've been on here enough to expect to be told - jump on a plane and start shaking hands. I've got no problem doing that, but it'd be really cool to start off with a few leads for places to go and people to meet. My last name is actually Stoll, it's just a goofy coincidence. I figured out what that extra L stands for though - short take off, lands long...
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Two years ago bout this time a pilot with about the same numbers came up looking for a job. I gave him my beater with a heater and a room. Had two job offers in a day or two. He started flying twin turbines last summer and had to stop flying in December because he ran out of hours. If you can find a bed to sleep in I still have the beater with a heater and some contacts. Check you PMs
DENNY
 
Two years ago bout this time a pilot with about the same numbers came up looking for a job. I gave him my beater with a heater and a room. Had two job offers in a day or two. He started flying twin turbines last summer and had to stop flying in December because he ran out of hours. If you can find a bed to sleep in I still have the beater with a heater and some contacts. Check you PMs
DENNY

Just got off a long and fun phone call with Denny and it sounds like I'll be jumping on a flight up to Anchorage in the next week or so. I thought there was a chance something like that would happen, but I certainly didn't expect it. Aviation, especially this side of it, is about the nicest group of people I've ever met.
 
Smokey Bay in Homer is looking.

Seriously, just about everyone up here is looking. I am getting emails from places I applied to two and three years ago asking if I am available, offers coming at least once a week.

Stay safe, and 'not hiring right now' just means come check next week!!
 
Smokey Bay in Homer is looking.

Seriously, just about everyone up here is looking. I am getting emails from places I applied to two and three years ago asking if I am available, offers coming at least once a week.

Stay safe, and 'not hiring right now' just means come check next week!!

Homer would be a fun gig for sure.
 
Well I’m on my way up today! Plan is to be there till next Thursday. I’m packed to go just about anywhere and looking forward to meeting folks. I really appreciate this forum for giving me the confidence to just buy a plane ticket and see what happens. Feel free to PM if you know someone who might be looking or to just meet up and talk airplanes.
 
Alex, when you get back, think about getting some duster hours if you can. There are always duster seats to fill, but the way cooler option is a SEAT job. The "foot in the door" for those jobs is the low-level spray experience. Look into Dauntless Air. They are a world class org.

https://www.dauntlessair.com/
 
Alex, when you get back, think about getting some duster hours if you can. There are always duster seats to fill, but the way cooler option is a SEAT job. The "foot in the door" for those jobs is the low-level spray experience. Look into Dauntless Air. They are a world class org.

https://www.dauntlessair.com/

I’ve had some phone calls with Ag operators. I mostly found they wanted a long term commitment involving at least a year on the ground loading to learn how it all works. Just not at the point in my life that I’m willing to burn a year doing that, but if you know of folks who don’t require that I’m interested for sure!
 
I’ve had some phone calls with Ag operators. I mostly found they wanted a long term commitment involving at least a year on the ground loading to learn how it all works. Just not at the point in my life that I’m willing to burn a year doing that, but if you know of folks who don’t require that I’m interested for sure!

Same here. I would love to go fill a duster seat for a few months and get some spray time...

that said, I might be up in Anchorage this weekend or early week to grab a plane and head south, need a ride south?

Seriously, be there and keep knocking on doors.
 
Same here. I would love to go fill a duster seat for a few months and get some spray time...

that said, I might be up in Anchorage this weekend or early week to grab a plane and head south, need a ride south?

Seriously, be there and keep knocking on doors.

I’ll Pm you to get contact info and details but you’ve got me interested. Plan was to fly home next Thursday if you’d be able to delay a day or few.
 
If you’re interested in Kodiak, island air takes guys pretty green and there’s opportunity to move into the islander or to floats. It’s a great place to learn about uncomfortable weather lol.
 
If you’re interested in Kodiak, island air takes guys pretty green and there’s opportunity to move into the islander or to floats. It’s a great place to learn about uncomfortable weather lol.
Last I heard they are still looking for pilots, training program is very through but they want 18 month commitment for the Cherokee 6 position
 
I’ve had some phone calls with Ag operators. I mostly found they wanted a long term commitment involving at least a year on the ground loading to learn how it all works. Just not at the point in my life that I’m willing to burn a year doing that, but if you know of folks who don’t require that I’m interested for sure!

Be careful what you wish for. The ag world is not too much different than any other flying vocation in some ways, and a world different in others. And by the same token the same can be said about prospective employees.

You are at a fortunate point in your life where dancing with anything with wings and moving from seat to seat is fun and pays the bills. A reputable flying service has commitments itself, and therefore must hire folks that are committed. There are operators, and seasons that will be the exception to this rule, learning which of those is reasonable and prudent can make the difference between having a good run, being safe and making a buck or two..... or.... not. and the 'not' may not end well.

To really be fair, when someone offers you a flying job, you might just ask yourself why he did that?

If your skill and knowledge levels are commensurate with the position, then you were probably the best candidate he had available. That's pretty simple. OTOH, If your skill set or knowledge was not, and he offered the position anyhow then there has to be more to the story. Maybe you came across as an outstanding individual, and he is willing to invest his time in to you to build those skills or knowledge. In return he is hoping for some sort of commitment to recoup on his investment. That's fair for the both of you, and a thought to consider.

But maybe that wasn't the case at all, maybe he just had a fleet of clapped out junk that a seasoned veteran of the field wouldn't stand under if it was in the air? Or maybe his back was against the wall to fill the seat and he felt forced in to rolling the dice on an experienced or unskilled applicator. Neither of these scenarios is where you want to find yourself, but unfortunately for most of us this is where we find our break.

Which brings me to my next point, perhaps more than most flying careers (careers, because that's what the good seats are) flying good ag seats are really not flying jobs. They are pesticide application positions, and your tool of the trade happens to be an airplane. That sounds like a game of semantics, but it really is not. What a grower wants is results. He doesn't care what your turn looks like, what the ride is like in the cockpit, or what the airplane looks tastes or feels like. He simply wants a kill (or the opposite)... And all the pieces that fit that bill are foreign to someone simply bringing a pilot certificate to the table as their 'qualifications'. Many of the skill sets can be compensated for or offset by the presence of another relevant one, but if there's not much to begin with, then it's probably not a fair expectation to hope to just jump right in a ship and go to work. Every location will be treating a a handful of crops for a handful of pests, in a handful of typical flying circumstances. Do you know those crops, pests, or the pesticides, or flying regimes involved? Are you even licensed as an applicator? Are you insurable in the operators aircraft type?

But it's not all gloom and doom. There are ag seats, and there are ag careers. There are multi million dollar turbine rocket ships, and there are (clean and safe) entry level ships. There are highly technical ag seas that task you with caring for critical crop, or technical flying circumstances, and there are simple 'corn run' type seats that charge you with spraying chemicals that are very low on the risk level of you being able to hurt the wrong thing, with flying that occurs on wide open expanses, and low population densities.

The key to success in the ag industry is matching an operator whose flying service most closely fits your current knowledge and skill level. You can always work your way up the ladder, landing a job that is too far above where your at (by whatever means it took took to get you there) is a recipe for failure, in a business is too small to be able to get away with too many of those.

In the end, there are ag operators who are willing to invest a little time in answering questions or sharing ideas. But again, be careful what you wish for, this type of flying is either in your blood, or it's not... and if it turns out that it is, nothing is going to keep you away from it. Certainly not a request for an investment of time on your part.

Take care, Rob
 
I agree 100% with Rob, if you like flying, stay in Alaska. If you like long hours filled with hazardous chemicals, exhaust fumes, arguing with farmers and crop scouts, with the only break time being when you buckle up and unfeather the prop, then flying ag may be for you! I love it, but if I wasn’t spraying I’d be in the woods logging with the rest of my family. Watching a friend get his shot at a seat this year, operators seem to be giving them away compared to even 6 years ago when I started. Lot’s of fly-by-nights looking to take advantage of young hungry pilots. I got my start flying rice with a bunch of old outlaws, and while it was a blast, I got an NTSB file and a concussion along the way. The good seats are filled by word of mouth, I’d be extremely cautious with anyone advertising that they hire rookies.
 
That little comment started some serious conversation! About a year ago I had a phone call with a really good operator who expects a season or two of loading followed by a multi-year commitment to fly for him. He has a great record reputation in the industry and his guys made great money. He made some great points about how he hires "applicators" not pilots, and that some of his worst accidents don't involve wrinkled piles of metal, but chemical applied to the wrong crop - leading to hundreds of thousands in insurance claims. I ultimately came to the conclusion that I didn't want to do it as a career, and that doing it as a career was the only way to really do it.
 
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