Best Borer for ‘all round performance’

[Binty]

I’m thinking a 82/44 may be best option for my flying..? ( plenty of off field landings here in NZ) im not needing super STOL performance but I’d love to harness the extra power my pimped Lycon O320 rebuild has. Surely it will eat my old 52” SENS…

what say others?? . I’d love real world feedback!

 

[cubdriver2]

Lose some weight and go Sensenich ground adjustable

Glenn

 

[DENNY]

If you have a strong 160 hp 0320 and don't need to be working 400 ft strips then a 82/44 is a great prop. I run 82/43 for my everyday working prop. On a 160 hp 0320 every inch of change is worth about 2 1/2 MPH at 2400 rpm and 10 feet on takeoff run depending on conditions and pilot skill. I have a friend that has went back to a Borer after messing with the Sensenich ground adjustable for about 4 weeks. He made the mistake of selling his borer so he had to get a new one.
DENNY

 

[supercrow]

I used an 82/43 for many years on and 0320 with 10 to one compression. It was a good all-around prop on skis and floats. But no comparison to the ground adjustable which gets off shorter climbs hotter, and cruises faster. Sold my borer and will never go back.

 

[Dog]

Nothing wrong with the Borer 43 or 44 are great all around props the sensenich GA has a slight advantage everywhere, but is not a game changer as often advertised . I still have my 44 on the shelf in case the GA does not stand up in the long run.
The borer is well proven for the long haul.

 

[Steve Pierce]

Ran a 43 on my LyCon 160 hp but the ground adjustable Sensenich is so far better in performance I don't ever see me going back.

 

[TR Dunn]

The 1A175 does what it was designed to do when pitch is matched to mission requirements. I found the 82/41 best on our original O-290D2 powered A model for our mission. You obviously have more power available, making more pitch an appropriate choice if mission dictates. Just for data, our A model now runs a 1A200 turned by an O-360 and we again found the 82/41 best for our current mission requirements. There shall always be sexier and perhaps better performing options available, however, the "legacy" systems typically perform as engineered. We just need to understand and operate within their limitations. Do not let "peer pressure" influence your decision, let your mission requirements and factual data help you reach a successful solution to your specific needs.
Indulge me a slight drift...
I include the photo to compare the 1A175 (Borer) 82/41 with the 1A200 (NOT a Borer) 82/41. Still amazed at the number of O-360 cub ads claiming to run a Borer that is in reality a 1A200. TR

 

[Steve Pierce]

I include the photo to compare the 1A175 (Borer) 82/41 with the 1A200 (NOT a Borer) 82/41. Still amazed at the number of O-360 cub ads claiming to run a Borer that is in reality a 1A200. TR

Some people use the term "Borer" to describe a long McCauley prop on a Super Cub although Roger Borer's STC is only for the 1A175 on the O-320 powered Super Cub.

 

[TR Dunn]

Some people use the term "Borer" to describe a long McCauley prop on a Super Cub although Roger Borer's STC is only for the 1A175 on the O-320 powered Super Cub.

I thought I implied this from my statement, but OK...I would edit your comment to "Some people incorrectly use the term Borer to describe a long McCauley prop"...

TR

 

[KevinJ]

Nothing wrong with the Borer 43 or 44 are great all around props the sensenich GA has a slight advantage everywhere, but is not a game changer as often advertised . I still have my 44 on the shelf in case the GA does not stand up in the long run.
The borer is well proven for the long haul.

I’ll pick on your “not a game changer” comment. The ability out of one prop to pull stumps, then, after a 10 min pitch change, cruise 20 mph faster all while losing 12 lbs off the most forward point of your cub would be as close to what I would consider a game changer. The sum of bushwheels, modern shocks, long gear, pstol flaps, GA props does completely change the ”game” you can play with your cub

A real game changer for me would be to have a turbo prop for 500 mile trips and a jet ranger to land in the back yard

 

[Dog]

I’ll pick on your “not a game changer” comment. The ability out of one prop to pull stumps, then, after a 10 min pitch change, cruise 20 mph faster all while losing 12 lbs off the most forward point of your cub would be as close to what I would consider a game changer. The sum of bushwheels, modern shocks, long gear, pstol flaps, GA props does completely change the ”game” you can play with your cub

By the time one adds all the mods and associated weight - the performance gain is often marginal over a light stock cub.

I do play a fair amount with mine - yes I do mods too. Although not nearly as much as many here.

One Guy near here has a bare bones cub not even VGs on 29s and a fine pitch 74 inch Sensenich prop.

He does work it out of some Mountain tops and strips that not many would attempt with highly modified cubs. A real purist one might think.

The same guy has some crazy mod stuff for playing and competitions , but for work it is a light stock cub

 

[Steve Pierce]

I bought a 12k hour 1972 PA18-150 that was a former powerline patrol plane several years ago. Only mods were Cleveland brakes, Dakota Cub brake master cylinders and VGs. There were many hours flown between mods. Borer prop 43 pitch, 29" Bushwheels, Baby Bushwheel, 31" Bushwheels, Atlee 3" extended gear, light weight oil cooler and B&C alternator, Thrustline modification, repitched Borer from 43 to 41, bungees to AOSS, Performance STOL flaps, 150 hp to 160 hp. 35" Bushwheels which came back off because I didn't see a needed gain for my mission. Sensenich ground adjustable prop. Everything was a performance gain for my mission which is banging around on the Brazos river weekly and trips to Utah, Idaho and Arkansas. My new Super Cub has all of that plus Acme shocks, big baggage door and extended baggage. Didn't need those two items previously, just the pod. They are nice but add weight for convenience.

 

[RaisedByWolves]

By the time one adds all the mods and associated weight - the performance gain is often marginal over a light stock cub.

I do play a fair amount with mine - yes I do mods too. Although not nearly as much as many here.

One Guy near here has a bare bones cub not even VGs on 29s and a fine pitch 74 inch Sensenich prop.

He does work it out of some Mountain tops and strips that not many would attempt with highly modified cubs. A real purist one might think.

The same guy has some crazy mod stuff for playing and competitions , but for work it is a light stock cub

Sounds like you haven’t flown a light weight cub with mods. Once you do you really pay attention to keeping it light.