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A Little Too Much Excitement

Steve Pierce

BENEFACTOR
Graham, TX
Yesterday started out as a little cool as Lee and I flew the Warner powered Hatz the 60 some odd miles to the Wichita Valley Pumpkin Drop with two 90 hp Super Cubs on our wing. Lee wanted to drop pumpkins so we used decide the Super Cub would make a better bomber than the Hatz. We taxied out to the end of runway 31, #2 in a flight of five with a Stearman as the lead and 2 Super Cubs and a J3 behind us. As I turned crosswind a big plume of black smoke poured out from under the instrument panel. I killed the master and then flames started shooting out around the starter button. I yelled at Lee to hold the stick as I grabbed the fire extinguisher but he couldn't hear me with the power off. I pulled the pin and shot the flames and thought all was now good. I flipped the master back on to call a Mayday when I realized the radio didn't come back on so I turned the master back off. Flames started shooting out again as I was making a turn to final on runway 04. Had to shake the extinguisher to get anything out. Slipped her pretty hard down on the grass runway and rolled out with more flames. I had to hold the extinguisher upside down and shake it to get anything out even thou it was 3/4 full. I jumped out and pulled the fuses from under the seat and felt the black wires were cool before I hand propped it and taxied back to the parking area. Lee was pretty upset we didn't get to drop out pumpkins but I was just glad to be on the ground. Ended up disconnecting the battery for the flight home with no further excitement.

Started checking things today and I found popped radio circuit breaker and one blown fuse. The starter button wires were burnt pretty good and the starter relay read .3 ohms where a new one reads 3-4 ohms. Put the new relay in and a button and engine started and ran fine so I test flew her only to discover that even though I had fully charged the battery the amp meter was showing 20 amps which never happens in this airplane. Once on the ground I found out she was putting out 15 plus volts and that the voltage regulator had gone south. Come to find out it was charging like that on the way up and it didn't register with the pilot. Luckily the radio has a picofuse for just such situations and that can be fixed rather easily.

I remember mounting that fire extinguisher on the edge of the map pocket some 15 years ago, glad I did but I will be sure and change it out every so many years and hope I never have to use another one. Thought someone might get something useful out of this so that is my reason for the post.
 
Great post Steve. You can skip your cardiac treadmill test this year...

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Glad you and Lee are OK, and thanks for reminding me to check my fire extinguisher.

Now the important stuff... Did Lee get to drop a pumpkin on the flight home?
 
dry chem?? one of my inspection things the fire chief taught me is turn them upside down or opposite how its sits and you rap them with a rubber hammer to break up the settled powder at each inspection....
 
this is also the case why you shouldn't have under seat battery without overvolt cutoff installed.... since they WILL vent at like 16 volts..in the cabin...
 
You are correct Mike, I am going to use this to get a field approval for the B&C alternator on the C90.

This is what I had from A/C Spruce. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/rta400.php

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Actually Jeff bought it from Bill. I emailed Jeff when another friend asked me about a Hatz for sale in South Texas because Jeff had looked at one down there and had called me to ask about some issues it had. Jeff emailed me back that it wasn't the one he had looked at but he wanted to sell his. My friend David thought it was way cool and after flying it and trying to get it out of his head for three days bought it. Jeff delivered it to me last weekend and I have been playing with it ever sense, oh, I mean working on it. 8)
 
I had a lot left just couldn't get it out. The extinguisher was at least 15 years old. I should have replaced it long ago.
 
Good info to share. I had a radio breaker pop a couple of months ago, reset it and it popped again. No fire though, thank God. A breaker had loosened and had slightly vibrated around just enough to touch a spot where one of the terminals grounded out, popping the breaker. Thanks for sharing this scenario as it prompted me to replace my fire extinguisher, which is probably at least ten years old. I will check it every year at annual from now on.
 
Actually Jeff bought it from Bill. I emailed Jeff when another friend asked me about a Hatz for sale in South Texas because Jeff had looked at one down there and had called me to ask about some issues it had. Jeff emailed me back that it wasn't the one he had looked at but he wanted to sell his. My friend David thought it was way cool and after flying it and trying to get it out of his head for three days bought it. Jeff delivered it to me last weekend and I have been playing with it ever sense, oh, I mean working on it. 8)

I've got almost 200 hrs in 8 different biplane types and that Warner Hatz is about as good as it gets. Bill let me fly it at Broadhead ( thanks Bill ) Oh yea, glad your little fire was not a big deal. What some dads will do to keep their sons attention. :roll:

Glenn
 
A friend of mine had a electrical fire in a 182 last year on take off and was able to get back down quick. I installed a halon extinguisher next to the flap handle in the 180 after that event!

I used to have one in the cub but it was never mounted so basically useless in flight.

Pierce, you have way to many of these little "camp fire" stories to tell !! :)
 
Steve, so appalled to read your story about fire in the cabin. Nothing seems more frightening, especially with your son on board. Very thankful all turned out OK. So, how many of your flying nine lives have you used up now? Three at least as I recall. Take it easy.
 
Sounds like you did a great job handling it Steve.

How often would you suggest replacing the fire extinguishers?
 
Every annual you should do just what Mike says... Turn the fire extinguisher upside down, (or over on other side) and hit with plastic or rubber hammer until you feel the chemical stuff move.

Even new extinguishers can have the stuff stick to the bottom.

This is for all chemical extinguishers, house, car, shop. I did it to the cabin ones and was amazed at the difference, you can feel the stuff let go and break up when it does.
 
It gets worse. I got him on the front seat of the Breezy, after Lee got his ride. It was a religious experience.
 
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This is for all chemical extinguishers, house, car, shop. I did it to the cabin ones and was amazed at the difference, you can feel the stuff let go and break up when it does.

reminds me I should practice what I preached... i have 6 or so around the shop that are 15 years old and never been beatten... thanks!
 
Glad you guys are alright. Sure makes me wonder why I have my fire extiguisher mounted under the rear seat where I certainly would not be able to obtain it during flight. I'd probably struggle to get it out of there on the ground let alone in the air. I'll have to come up with a plan to correct this.
 
Thanks again for sharing your experience with us. I'm glad everything turned out ok. I think everyone reading this will be checking their extinguishers, I know I will.
 
Glad you didn't loose the plane to a fire.

Although it may sound dumb, pay attention to where you mount the fire extinguisher. I'm doing the annual on my plane and found this. Rubbing on the fuel tank strap.

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So glad you and Lee are safe!

With everyone checking their fire extinguishers, I'd like to remind all that the dry chemical extinguisher powders are considered very corrosive. Airplanes and hangars are good places for halon or one of its replacements. The helicopter mechanics I used to work with said if dry chemical was discharged in the helicopter it would mean a complete tear down and rebuild of the entire machine and all components.

Mark J
 
Steve I just learned that these MUST BE UPRIGHT it was ashock I joked to to sales man why do you need a hose he said if they are onthere side or up side down you only get propelet, this was a SHOCK tome beacause I would think to hold it on its side and aim up under pannel THATS WHY YOU HAD SOMELEFT
 
I'd like to remind all that the dry chemical extinguisher powders are considered very corrosive.
Mark J

I have heard this many times when we do our company "fire" training as well. I figure that dry chemical is better than nothing when you need it though!
 
Yiikes! Nightmare situation- great result! A good reminder for everyone to consider safety equipment placement.

We are building a ground up Electrical system for my (non electric) 18A. Any suggestions to help avoid nightmares like Steves??
Under Seat Batt Mod.
B&C 60 Amp Alternator
Sky Tec Light weight starter
Radio/Intercom/Transponder
LED Pos/Nav lights
 
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