So, what did the Baltimore FSDO tell you the reason was for taking away something which had been entrusted to A&Ps for well more than half a century? What changed, which rendered the judgement of those A&Ps invalid? I take this as a personal insult to my integrity. Something which I have strived to be the best I could be for the 60 years which I have held an A&P certificate.The person signing the ferry permit (Special airworthiness certificate under 21.197 has the responsibility to determine “safe for flight”. In the past, FAA deferred that determination to the A&P in the operating limitations.
Why the change, does it take that long for a PMI to read, sign and email back a ferry permit?
So, what did the Baltimore FSDO tell you the reason was for taking away something which had been entrusted to A&Ps for well more than half a century? What changed, which rendered the judgement of those A&Ps invalid? I take this as a personal insult to my integrity. Something which I have strived to be the best I could be for the 60 years which I have held an A&P certificate.
I guess that depends on which hat you are wearing, whether something is taken away or not. It seems that it is the FAA which is shirking their established responsibilities.They haven’t taken anything away from the A&P, they shifted what they did to designees but they didn’t allow us to do fax or email ferry permits. We have to issue an actual 8130-7 special airworthiness certificate.
I hear what a lot of you are saying, but a ferry permit is a certification under Part 21, not maintenance. As A&Ps and IAs, we work in the Part 43 world, not the Part 21 world. The person signing the ferry permit (Special airworthiness certificate under 21.197 has the responsibility to determine “safe for flight”. In the past, FAA deferred that determination to the A&P in the operating limitations. A DAR does not have that option and must make that determination themselves.
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Issuing the permit may not be actual maintenance, but if the FSDO rep has to physically inspect the aircraft, he is then performing a maintenance function. Part 43 calls out the systems to be examined in order for an A&P and/or IA to determine the airworthiness of an aircraft. Nothing in Part 21 calls out criteria for determining airworthiness of an existing type certificated aircraft.
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Issuing the permit may not be actual maintenance, but if the FSDO rep has to physically inspect the aircraft, he is then performing a maintenance function. Part 43 calls out the systems to be examined in order for an A&P and/or IA to determine the airworthiness of an aircraft. Nothing in Part 21 calls out criteria for determining airworthiness of an existing type certificated aircraft.
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I'm quite confused by this thread....
so you have to hire $ and transport $$ an INSPECTOR(DAR) who CAN"T reattach the wing(s), and straiten out the fuselage enough to ferry it, (and probably is has no experience, or willingness to do/with this)
to BLESS it, safe for flight??
not just me (A&P)???
so WHY??, then would you REQUEST a ferry permit???...
it used to be just a accident/incident tracking FAA paperwork exercise......
never had one time they wanted to come see it, or the pictures I offered to take for them....
( really need to dig out the box of pictures from the ferry flights I have readied and post them..)
I realize those of you in Alaska have different issues and it really sucks for you.
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Thank you John, My sentiments exactly.What a load of BS!!! I agree with Skywagon...we've had it taken away from us!! Basically what it's going to do is make outlaws out of 90% of us when it comes to this stuff. I'm damned sure not gonna hire a DAR to tell me (and charge me!!!!) that we can ferry an airplane. I'll take my chances and they can kiss it. This has gone way too far!!
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It appears that in their efforts to micromanage everything under guidance from their legal department, the FAA has really stepped on their Richards this time. They are forcing us out in the field underground. While the FAA is holding their crying towel hiding in a closet, we in the field will keep the aviation fleet in the air.Far as I'm concerned, ferry permits have been a thing of the past for a couple years now. Used to be their job was to get a permit to so you could do it legally. Now they have to micromanage everything. Less stress just annualling it or fixing it where it is than dealing with the FAA. I realize those of you in Alaska have different issues and it really sucks for you.
Anch FSDO says they're still doing ferry permits. They directed me to the FAA website, which coincidentally still has the procedure posted. The Anch lady says internet chat room information is unreliable.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/phl/local_more/media/ferry_permit.pdf
As a lot of us know, part of the problem is inconsistencies between FSDOs. For her to say internet chat room information is unreliable is kind of a slap in the face. Looks like everything here is accurate by mechanics that have held the certificate 60 plus years and a DAR. Hard to argue with them and the letters and memorandums posted. Glad Anchorage is still doing them, Lubbock is as well but a major PITA.Don't shoot the messenger, I just made a call to ask.
Anch FSDO says they're still doing ferry permits. They directed me to the FAA website, which coincidentally still has the procedure posted....
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/phl/local_more/media/ferry_permit.pdf
I think the key here is in the post of the FAA message above where it says "we are now requesting that all ferry permits go though a DAR" that a good bit short of were not issuing go find a DAR...
If that’s what they are doing then I would suggest documenting the situation to Senator Inhofe’s office attention to his aviation staf..After 8 months dicking around with field approvals that's what they told me. These were previously approved FA's. That is there polite way of denying you, with out denying you. Apparently if they deny you a field approval on something that has been previously approved, you can go to the originally issued faa person, and you do not have to stay in your FSDO, But they wouldn't give me a written letter of denial, just told me they are "way too busy".