Badlands STOL Kit

[rv6ator]

Would appreciate any PIREPS on the Badlands Stol Kit. Installation, performance etc:.
Thanks

[Colorado-Cub]

This is the cuff kit Clint is producing, yes?

(subscribing to topic because I am curious myself)

[rv6ator]

Correct. Finishing up a Javron and now would be a good time for installation.

[buckchop]

Thats the pretty much the same as the Crosswinds STOL cuff thats been out for 50yrs nothing new there, Hahahahahaaaaa

[tempdoug]

Thats the pretty much the same as the Crosswinds STOL cuff thats been out for 50yrs nothing new there, Hahahahahaaaaa

so does the crosswinds cuff fit a cub?

[buckchop]

so does the crosswinds cuff fit a cub?

YES, piper is his specialty but tinkers on all makes.

[tempdoug]

i see hes got a bunch of stc's, is there a way to read them? faa?

[Supercubrancher]

I like the look of the Badlands compared to the Crosswinds, which I have. Have not flown the Badlands. I would do the Badlands on an experimental in a heartbeat.

[Steve Pierce]

Thats the pretty much the same as the Crosswinds STOL cuff thats been out for 50yrs nothing new there, Hahahahahaaaaa

There is a thread with the profile of the Badlands cuff and the second revision is longer than the Crosswind STOL cuff. I believe Clint got their after building his own Cessna style wing for his Badland Traveler.

[Super11XP]

The “Badlands Stol” cuff isn’t really a crazy invention honestly. Even the name isn’t very original as my generation seems to thrive on catchy words and letters like X, ass, bad, extreme, R ect. It’s very similar to the sportsman kit for the Cessnas, and to some degree is an adaptation of that idea to a cub wing.
it adds 2” of chord to the wing which is significantly more than the crosswinds stol. Of course I think I’m onto something, but so does everyone else who’s had an stc for the cub

[BC12D-4-85]

The Sportsman on a Cessna extends the glide, lowers the stall speed, and improves slow flight reserve. Sealed ailerons offer better control. Should provide similar for the Cub. Not sure about the effect of VG's added to the package, or an upper wing stall fence. It's got to help.

Gary

[tempdoug]

The “Badlands Stol” cuff isn’t really a crazy invention honestly. Even the name isn’t very original as my generation seems to thrive on catchy words and letters like X, ass, bad, extreme, R ect. It’s very similar to the sportsman kit for the Cessnas, and to some degree is an adaptation of that idea to a cub wing.
it adds 2” of chord to the wing which is significantly more than the crosswinds stol. Of course I think I’m onto something, but so does everyone else who’s had an stc for the cub

curious as to flaps, no flaps, gross weight, etc has a bearing on the positioning or is there one spot for all?

[Super11XP]

There’s only one position for the foam profile blocks to go, and they sortof “key” into the existing leading edge profile.
not sure if that answers your question though

[tempdoug]

i guess what im wondering is if more droop or less makes a difference for different plane configurations? is that the right way to say it? like if you draw a straight line from the bottom of the wing forward how much below that line helps or dosent help? or is there one dimension that works for all.

[thaefeli]

here is an idea of the cuff shape.
Installed on a set of Javron wings. Not covered yet.
Did it last march while waiting for more parts for my 4S. still waiting....

[BC12D-4-85]

I believe a smooth continuous roll to the upper and lower cuff surfaces helps airflow. Air doesn't like quick changes in surfaces (opinion), and flatter or quick turning/small radius surfaces can create some turbulence behind the leading edge. I flew a Crosswinds (with a flatter upper and lower form on two Cubs and a Citabria), and a Sportsman (more rounded like this cuff) on a C-185. In rain the beads rolled smoothly over the Sportsman, while some would linger on the Crosswind's flats. Not sure why, plus what else is there to do between here and there in rain to stay busy?

Gary

[thaefeli]

Some questions about the foam ribs. As Clint said, they pretty much line up with the existing airfoil one way.
There is a small amount of play. Used a string end to end and went through it about five times and got them all lined up.
Sorry for the dual image.
Tom