Iditarod or bust

[jrussl]

The lack of sunlight here in Wisconsin appears to be affecting me a bit early this winter. So I've hatched this plan.......why not fly my cub to AK and follow along the Last Great Race.

I am thinking of wheel skis for the WI-AK portion of the trip and then switch to my Federal 2000's that I will have shipped up to AK. I'll fly solo on the trip up and Rhonda will commercial up and meet me in ANC.

Two people in a Super Cub along with winter camping gear may be a bit much so we are looking to find a place to stay in Nome for a few days around the expected finish time. Might anyone here have a suggestion on locating accomodations in Nome for the finish? It looks like we may already have a place in Rainy Pass. Accomodations at other spots along the trail would be great but I suspect they are non-existent.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jeff

[mvivion]

The lack of sunlight here in Wisconsin appears to be affecting me a bit early this winter. So I've hatched this plan.......why not fly my cub to AK and follow along the Last Great Race.

I am thinking of wheel skis for the WI-AK portion of the trip and then switch to my Federal 2000's that I will have shipped up to AK. I'll fly solo on the trip up and Rhonda will commercial up and meet me in ANC.

Two people in a Super Cub along with winter camping gear may be a bit much so we are looking to find a place to stay in Nome for a few days around the expected finish time. Might anyone here have a suggestion on locating accomodations in Nome for the finish? It looks like we may already have a place in Rainy Pass. Accomodations at other spots along the trail would be great but I suspect they are non-existent.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jeff

I'd keep the wheel skis on for the ANC to OME leg as well.

Good luck! Should be an adventure....

MTV

[EdH]

Two people in a Super Cub along with winter camping gear may be a bit much so we are looking to find a place to stay in Nome for a few days around the expected finish time.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jeff

No way I’d fly out of the Anchorage general area, much less to Nome, without winter camping gear. Enough to comfortably live in the snow for a few days minimum, even if I’m not planning on it. With quality gear, you’d only be looking at maybe 30 lbs extra at most. And don’t forget you’ll need wing and engine covers.

Otherwise, it sounds like an awesome trip, and you definitely wont regret it.


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[BC12D-4-85]

I flew that twice on wheel skis stopping in local towns and finally Nome. We had camping gear and a couple sources of heat - 8x10 wall tent, wood stove, and propane catalytic for the Cessna's engine. Today I'd take a small gas generator for power and heat plus in case the battery got cold. Plan it like a camping trip and it'll be a great escape. Lots of daylight that time of year. The coastal weather can be brutal from the Yukon River westward so expect delays if camping. And as noted wind spoiler wing covers because the wind does blow. Screw ice anchors plus plenty of rope if parked on ice.

https://iditarod.com

Gary

[DENNY]

You need to be prepared for camping a 3-4 days in -20 degree weather at a minimum you never know when that mag will go bad or the weather will hold you down. I would try to get one of the hotels right by the finish line but it is getting late for finding rooms. McGrath Hotel is great they had a plug in at the runway. also had some houses you could rent during Irondog. A sat phone is great for calling flight service and checking weather or to make a change in you room reservations. Skwentna roadhouse is a great place to get stuck until you get through the range. Get some numbers for the Iditarod Air Force. They will have a lot of up to date info. If you do not have a belly pod now is the time to get one. You can have it waiting in Anchorage and put it on in my hanger at birchwood if you want. How much fuel do you have? Might be a good ideal to carry a couple of bushwheel bags you could fill if weather means a big detour. Don't rely on any shore power for pre heat. If you need electricity bring a generator. Engine cover/wing covers with spoilers/ropes/anchors. It will be a great adventure.
DENNY

[jrussl]

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions in your responses and pm's. Great advice as usual.

Wheel skis vs straight skis...........I have Trickair wheel penetration skis that are fine skis but they are definitely not fast off the snow, especially when loaded. And I absolutely love my Federals. Super light and very quick off the snow....at least most snow. It's good to know that wheel skis are the preference for access to fuel. Thanks Mike and others that PM'd

Winter camping gear.......I will definitely have a full complement of winter camping gear in case we need it. My reference to camping gear above should have been more specific. If I was "planning" to camp with my spouse, I would want a wall tent and stove. This,in addition to all the other stuff that I will bring along for unplanned winter events, is probably a bit too much for my Super Cub. I do have a Firmin pod and upper and lower extended baggage. Hotels and cabins will keep my passenger smiling more.

I've already have a great cowl cover, electric engine heater, Northern Companion gas heater, and ice screws. I'll need to get some wing covers with spoilers. I know there are lots of good threads about them and I'll check them out. I do have VG's so that's a consideration.

I have an InReach but will most likely also rent a Sat phone

I've got Dakota 24 gal tanks and usually burn around 7-7.5 per hour so have reasonable range. Will probably also bring along at least one Bushwheel bag.

Just starting to get reservations and planning done so lots more to learn and do.

Thanks again for all the help. Keep the suggestions coming. Lots to learn and this group has so much good advice to share. I feel so fortunate to be part of it.

Jeff

[akavidflyer]

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions in your responses and pm's. Great advice as usual.

Wheel skis vs straight skis...........I have Trickair wheel penetration skis that are fine skis but they are definitely not fast off the snow, especially when loaded. And I absolutely love my Federals. Super light and very quick off the snow....at least most snow. It's good to know that wheel skis are the preference for access to fuel. Thanks Mike and others that PM'd

Winter camping gear.......I will definitely have a full complement of winter camping gear in case we need it. My reference to camping gear above should have been more specific. If I was "planning" to camp with my spouse, I would want a wall tent and stove. This,in addition to all the other stuff that I will bring along for unplanned winter events, is probably a bit too much for my Super Cub. I do have a Firmin pod and upper and lower extended baggage. Hotels and cabins will keep my passenger smiling more.

I've already have a great cowl cover, electric engine heater, Northern Companion gas heater, and ice screws. I'll need to get some wing covers with spoilers. I know there are lots of good threads about them and I'll check them out. I do have VG's so that's a consideration.

I have an InReach but will most likely also rent a Sat phone

I've got Dakota 24 gal tanks and usually burn around 7-7.5 per hour so have reasonable range. Will probably also bring along at least one Bushwheel bag.

Just starting to get reservations and planning done so lots more to learn and do.

Thanks again for all the help. Keep the suggestions coming. Lots to learn and this group has so much good advice to share. I feel so fortunate to be part of it.

Jeff

On the west side of the range, you will want the wheel skis. Half the places you will land will be pavement, especially OME. I am flying support for an irondog team this year IF my wheel ski's show up in time.

[SJ]

Jeff, this sounds like a GREAT ADVENTURE! Don't tell my wife... she will want to do it!

sj

[DENNY]

I have VG's on the cub wing covers are fine just be careful putting them on and off. The places with fuel will be plenty long for the wheel skis and usually well maintained. That time of year straight skis can be a pain especially Nome. DENNY

[mvivion]

Jeff,

I wouldn’t worry too much about the performance of the penetration skis on that route. Most of the places you’ll land are going to be well prepped by other aircraft. You likely will not have to pioneer a landing site, unless weather or ?? causes an unplanned stop.

MTV

[BC12D-4-85]

A friendly conversation with these good experienced pilots would answer many questions about flying the route. Here's some fun to watch links. There's several videos available...I just linked one at the bottom.

https://iditarod.com/iditarod-air-force/
https://www.facebook.com/DogFlying4Fun/
https://www.faa.gov/podcasts/the_air....mp3&permalink
https://airfactsjournal.com/2020/03/...rod-air-force/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_j6b3HwPo

Gary

[stewartb]

Sometimes Alaska winter days don’t suck. Unfortunately, sometimes they do. That’s part of what makes life interesting.

Morning has broken. -10° F but pretty. The lull between two big snowstorms.

[mvivion]

Sometimes Alaska winter days don’t suck. Unfortunately, sometimes they do. That’s part of what makes life interesting.

Morning has broken. -10° F but pretty. The lull between two big snowstorms.

Winter often produced some of my favorite flying memories. The air is calm. But, Alaska offers some pretty hostile environments in winter especially. Go prepared, and you'll have a great time.

I have to say, however, that the only good thing about -40 is that you don't have to convert.....

MTV

[cubflier]

I have an InReach but will most likely also rent a Sat phone
Jeff

Just pack and prepare like you do not have an InReach or a sat phone. Then you should be ok. I'm not so sure about the wall tent concept. The Hilleberg Nammatj 3 GT is the best tent I have ever owned for serious winter camps without a serious weight penalty.

Good Luck on your trip.

Jerry

[Bill Rusk]

Bunch of SWA pilots from Texas did this a few years ago. Here is part 1 of a three part video series. It was quite the adventure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vmuryjkano

Bill

[BC12D-4-85]

IMHO the best winter tents> https://www.airframesalaska.com/Arct...nts-s/2025.htm Wall tents are old news today unless room is more important than warmth.

Gary

[stewartb]

I can set up my Hilleberg in a 40 mph rain storm by myself in about 5 minutes. Easy to put up is a big deal for beginning an unscheduled stay. And after that the sleeping bag is your friend. Choose wisely!

The best event during Iditarod is sitting around a bonfire as the mushers pass by. With the modern daytime restart the best place to do the bonfire thing is Shell Lake. Worth it if you can find a place to stay.

[Brian M]

The best event during Iditarod is sitting around a bonfire as the mushers pass by. With the modern daytime restart the best place to do the bonfire thing is Shell Lake. Worth it if you can find a place to stay.

Fact.

My brother has a place a mile and a half upriver from Yentna Station. Iditarod night is always a favorite.

Still, I'd love to follow the race in my Cub someday. Maybe spend a few days in Takotna watching the pack come through, the leapfrog along the coast. The logistics seem a bit daunting - I'm enjoying following this thread.

[DENNY]

IMHO the best winter tents> https://www.airframesalaska.com/Arct...nts-s/2025.htm Wall tents are old news today unless room is more important than warmth.

Gary

I picked up the Arctic Oven Igloo at the airshow this year. found a titanium stove that weights 5 lbs I might try some winter caribou this year. I prefer a freestanding tent in case you get somewhere that you can't get stakes into.
DENNY

[BC12D-4-85]

Wind likes to tear up tents. Freestanding way less for damage, so that's a real concern if going to breezy camps. Pioneers used open floor canvas wall tents year round (that's all they had) but they'd take the time to rope them down and support well with timber. I stayed in one a couple of winters on a frame over a platform while building a cabin and trapping. Unlike the double wall Arctic Oven any stiff breeze at -20F or lower sucked the heat out. A wood stove that later heated the 16X24 cabin would barely keep up in a storm. Still, they are easy to use and make for a quick camp or lean-to wind break.

Arctic's tents are a very nice kit.

Gary

[BC12D-4-85]

From March through May is a secret time for enjoying Alaskan flying. I say secret but for locals it's not. Daylight returns, daily temps start varying more than mid winter, there's lots of places to explore and enjoy, and look...no bugs or bears to share camping space with. That period and later July through September are the best of the year for many.

Gary

[StalledOut]

Until you have spent a week at Denali high camp at 17,200 feet stuck in a winter storm and praying your tent holds together with 70mph+ winds, you really won't know what your tent will survive. For me my ancient but stout Northface VE-24 is my save your ass tent. My Arctic Oven 10 is for glamping but too heavy to haul around. And quality snow stakes are a must. When the wind blows hard go set your tent up in the snow for practice and stake it down. Do some real world tests in your yard before you get out in the middle of no where. I had some custom hoops sewn into my VE-24 to make it easier to pitch with mittens on. When it's -30 or colder with wind, you don't want your fingers trying to work little plastic clips or feeding a ice cold rod through a sleeve.

[aktango58]

Sounds like lots of fun!!

If you want, I have a single pole Arctic Oven you can borrow. I might have a set of cub spoiler covers also, need to look as I passed some gear on to a cub guy last year.

My single pole was called the 'Shockey', one of the early ones, so newer ones might be a bit different, it weighs in about 25 pounds.. I also have a VE-24 North face 4 seasons that is a tight three person, good two person winter tent, unless you need to spend a few days in it. I have both propane and wood stoves for the oven, but a lantern does great getting either tent warm with time.

60 below bags should never be out of your reach on that trip, and GOOD snowshoes- as in real ones with some length.

You can do it in the cub, but you need to be very careful in gear selection, and make sure every piece counts, but also have enough to keep safe.

Give me a shout if you want to talk gear

[stewartb]

Sometimes Alaska winter days don’t suck. Unfortunately, sometimes they do. That’s part of what makes life interesting.

Morning has broken. -10° F but pretty. The lull between two big snowstorms.

And here’s the same view 24 hours later. The leading edge of a multi-day storm. Better take some Snickers. At least it warmed up!

[scout88305]

AK getting yet another big snow dumper. Not even Christmas and avalanche warnings and gridlock occurring. I think Anchorage is at 4 school day closures. Better have a good shovel, not one of them half ass midget shovels I carry on my Skidoo Tundra!

[cubflier]

We got enough snow to confuse the dog when we opened the front door. It would have been a good enough night to test some of your winter gear pile and how it deploys in a mild blizzard.



Jerry

[stewartb]

Same story here, and still dumping. My dog is going to make me take him on his morning walk. I’m going to play dead.

Supposed to snow for the next three days and then rain on Thursday. Then back to -10° over the weekend. Good times. I sure don’t miss parking outside right now.

[mvivion]

There's a photo of a Cub (I think) on Facebook at MRL with the wings folded down.....ugh!!

MTV

[aktango58]

Remember to take a couple books to read while you wait!!

You guys in Anchorage area, send some our way! We have less than knee deep on the ground here. A bit frustrating for plow contractors like me.

[stewartb]

I’m watching a 980 loader working around the airport trying to make space for the grader to clear snow. And it’s only mid-December. This reminds me of how winters used to be around here. Except I was younger and more willing to dig out back then!

Still snowing.

[scout88305]

Tough on the moose/? Railroad and highway collisions

[stewartb]

Starvation is the bigger threat. It takes a lot of energy to move those big bodies in deep snow. If we get rain as forecasted it’ll be worse. Any new snow will add to the depth without compacting what’s under the rain layer, and it’ll lay the willow and alders over. Good for snowmachines, bad for critters. Nothing new. Mother nature can be a bitch.

[mvivion]

From FB:

[stewartb]

That guy needs better neighbors.

[BC12D-4-85]

Looks like that Cub already had lumber tied to the struts to prevent collapse. I feel bad for any owner that wasn't there to clean it off.

Gary

[stewartb]

No wind lately. A broom would have prevented the failure.

[mvivion]

Looks like that Cub already had lumber tied to the struts to prevent collapse. I feel bad for any owner that wasn't there to clean it off.

Gary

Yes, I'm not sure what having lumber tied to your struts says about you as an aircraft owner, but didn't work in this case at least.

Too bad, but looks like a new project in the spring.

MTV

[BC12D-4-85]

This snow depth map may be of interest now and later during the Iditarod Race> https://www.weather.gov/aprfc/Snow_Depth

And here are the snow water equivalents (SWE) if the snow were melted in selected locations> https://www.weather.gov/aprfc/nrcs_AK_SWE

Check my math for weight of snow, but per square foot it's about 12"x12"=144" x depth of water equivalent (I picked 3" for Anchorage) = 432ci of water/128ci (a gallon of water) = 3.4 gallons sq ft x 8#/gallon = about 27# per square foot. Cub 183 sq/ft wing area x 27# per foot = 4941#. Now how much negative wing loading is that over Normal Category limits? It may be less water than that but still.....

Gary

Edit: I guessed a little bit high. Anchorage Airport is currently reporting 2.68" SWE so far. So adjusted above the negative wing loading could be 4414# on a Cub. Any more snow or rain will make it even worse. Pay attention.

[frequent_flyer]

According to this calculator there is a huge variation in weight depending on snow type:

https://www.inchcalculator.com/snow-weight-calculator/

1 foot of wet snow on a Cub could be as much as 9,000 lb if the calculator is correct.

[stewartb]

In my 25 years of outside parking at Lake Hood I’d estimate I swept more airplanes that didn’t belong to me than those that did. I’m disappointed that any airplane fails from snow loads when adjacent airplanes were swept. The lumber probably indicates the owner is out of town.

If rain does come on Thursday the snow weight will increase dramatically. Sweep your planes. Sweep your neighbor’s planes. A little kindness goes a long way.

Merry Christmas.