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Wing tip bow

kodiakcub

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I'm in the process of rebuilding some PA11 wings. A local cub builder suggested I use formed aluminum tubing for the wing tip instead of the wooden wing tip bow that piper used, he says it's much more rigid. Is this a modification anyone else has done?
Thanks
Dan
 
I'm in the process of rebuilding some PA11 wings. A local cub builder suggested I use formed aluminum tubing for the wing tip instead of the wooden wing tip bow that piper used, he says it's much more rigid. Is this a modification anyone else has done?
Thanks
Dan

I would not do it...
 
Me neither. First, the ash bow is shaped. Second, ash bends on impact; aluminum stays bent. Third, ash absorbs shock better when you hit that fencepost or the hangar door. Fourth, it is probably lighter.

I no longer drill holes for the spar attach fitting screws. I glue the bow, then wrap it with fabric around the fittings. Seems to stay there, and they don't break at the spars.
 
Being rigid is usually great once the lights go out!! The rest of the time flexible is usually best. :wink:
DENNY
 
Me neither. First, the ash bow is shaped. Second, ash bends on impact; aluminum stays bent. Third, ash absorbs shock better when you hit that fencepost or the hangar door. Fourth, it is probably lighter.

I no longer drill holes for the spar attach fitting screws. I glue the bow, then wrap it with fabric around the fittings. Seems to stay there, and they don't break at the spars.
What are you using to glue the wood to the steel fittings?
Thanks
Dan
 
My IA says his wife gives him crap every time she finds the bows in the hot tub the night before they go on!!
DENNY
 
I have had no issue with broken tip bows at the spar but I don't use nitrate/butyrate dope that continues shrinking over the life of the fabric, pulling the tip bow in my flate spots between each attach point. I have a simple plywood fixture to shape the bow in, good epoxy varnish and install just like Piper did however the PA11 probably only had braces between the front and rear spars. Later model Pipers used 4, 2 to the top spar cap and 2 to the bottom spar caps. Keeps the tip bow from twisting up over the years. Got into that on J3 and PA16 wings I have rebuild.
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Tha tip bow that I removed was twisted and had a flat spot. It didn't have nearly as much bracing as you show in the picture.
Thanks
Dan
 
Steve is right, of course, unless you use nitrate/butyrate. But if you hit something the tip bow will crack at the holes.

I use Pliobond, and I wrap 102 fabric, attached with Super Seam, and heat shrunk. And yeah, once in a while I hit the hangar door - less lately with decent tow bars, but still . . .
 
I have had no issue with broken tip bows at the spar but I don't use nitrate/butyrate dope that continues shrinking over the life of the fabric, pulling the tip bow in my flate spots between each attach point. I have a simple plywood fixture to shape the bow in, good epoxy varnish and install just like Piper did however the PA11 probably only had braces between the front and rear spars. Later model Pipers used 4, 2 to the top spar cap and 2 to the bottom spar caps. Keeps the tip bow from twisting up over the years. Got into that on J3 and PA16 wings I have rebuild.
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Do you treat the bow in some way ( steam or soak in hot water) before you put it in your plywood fixture?
 
Do you treat the bow in some way ( steam or soak in hot water) before you put it in your plywood fixture?
The tips are preformed when made but get straightened out for shipment. I bought a gross from the original makers and paid to have them motor freighted. They came in a fixture that holds them in the proper shape. When I was buying them from Univair I would soak them in a kiddie pool and put them in a fixture I made to put the shape back into them.
 
This is how a gross of tip bows come from the Amish.
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And this is my fixture I use to use when I bought tip bows from Univair.
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Make a soaking pipe. A length of PVC pipe and two caps from the plumping aisle. Put the bow in, soak or steam as necessary. Form in place on the wing. A section of gutter works, too.
 
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