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    Fairleads during cable replacement

    Any tips on installing the snap ring of the rear rudder fairleads? I have just the one inspection panel on the left side other than the jackscrew panels and the far aft rectangular panel.
    Looks like I might have to add another inspection hole so I can use both hands. Thoughts?
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"

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    Maybe modify some internal snap ring pliars with little dimples to capture the spring while spreading it???
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    Would a safety wire loop work?

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    Leave it in, mark the cable for the proper length, run the cable and swedge the thimble at the tail last.
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    Glue an inspection ring on the belly by the fairlead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Glue an inspection ring on the belly by the fairlead.
    We already discussed that Boss............I'm thinking remote robotics.........not ready to give up yet
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    Put the snapring over one of the fairlead pieces centering the snapring with the open part toward the other half of the fairlead . Then slide the other half in and work the snapring as you push the fairlead into place. Its easier to show than explain.... It can be done with one hand.
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    What Grant said does work, but if access and dexterity do not allow..

    Cut a short piece of tubing that fits close over the back end of the fairlead. Cut a slot in it so it can be slid over the cable. Stretch the ring over the tube, put the tube over the cable, over the fairlead end, and slid the ring off the tube onto the fairlead.
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    You guys are clever. Love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Would a safety wire loop work?

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    Are you serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Longley View Post
    Are you serious?
    Actually yes. I've seen several two piece plastic fairleads snapped into the round metal frame and held together by sufficient safety wire wrapped in the plastic ring groove to prevent movement and loss. Also seen with wooden fairleads years ago on Piper lift struts.

    Edit: See #10. The standard ring is best, but sometimes access is limited. https://www.flywithspa.com/docs/pbm/...er-cables.html

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    Easy to glue and cut an inspection ring.

    Those fairleads just outboard of the fuel tank can be a bear. I have used .041" safety wire instead of the snap ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Easy to glue and cut an inspection ring.

    Those fairleads just outboard of the fuel tank can be a bear. I have used .041" safety wire instead of the snap ring.
    Learn something new everyday.

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    Thanks guys..........I'm stubborn enuf to try anything before I cut a hole in my fabric, although it might come to that.
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"

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    I misplaced a nice set of snap ring pliers that had a dimple for holding those rings. Actually had a conversation with snap on last week about a replacement. Sticker shock might make you cut a hole in your plane though.

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    Why not use a proper sized snap ring with holes for the pliers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Why not use a proper sized snap ring with holes for the pliers?

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    Different style of snap ring on the fairleads. No holes in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wireweinie View Post
    Different style of snap ring on the fairleads. No holes in them.

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    They would work though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Why not use a proper sized snap ring with holes for the pliers?

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    Snap Rings with holes installed and removed with pliers is what I use, Gary.
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    I guess if the regular snap rings are a PIA why not use what works easier? It might be helpful to note a part number for replacement. Maybe that's why some A&P's up here have used safety wire instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    I guess if the regular snap rings are a PIA why not use what works easier? It might be helpful to note a part number for replacement. Maybe that's why some A&P's up here have used safety wire instead.

    Gary
    Every mechanic has a "fits all" roll of safety wire on his work bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Why not use a proper sized snap ring with holes for the pliers?

    Gary
    That's the route I'm going.......found the exact size. One down.......one to go.
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"
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    This is what the book calls for.

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    5/8" I.D.?

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    Are you replacing fairlead due to wear?
    or to thread new cable assy?
    Suggested earlier was to make new cables in place.
    sounds like you’re beyond that phase though.
    It may sound intimidating but saves a lot of work and expense.
    there was a thread that discussed the process s few years back.
    I just made up a complete fuselage set last week, I’ll need to do wings as well soon and happy to rehash the process if a search dosnt turn it up.

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    I made my own at rebuild. Should have done it this time also......but bought Univair set. PITA !
    But......I will have all the old cable ends should anyone need them.
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"

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    I told you to glue grommets and cut holes. Just think about all the pheasants you missed by being stubborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I told you to glue grommets and cut holes. Just think about all the pheasants you missed by being stubborn.
    Shut up
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    Seems to me if you are careful, gluing a ring on wouldn't even require touch-up paint.

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    Stewart's method glue is great for this. I have several on my Taylorcraft added post recover. Clean surface, apply glue and ring with fabric overlay. Wipe off excess along edges with wet cloth before it drys. All still attached 6 yrs later on plane parked outside +80's to -50's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdrvr View Post
    Shut up
    Tom Ford and I were gonna make this sign and hang it in our hangars. The worst are the ones that want to argue about your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Tom Ford and I were gonna make this sign and hang it in our hangars. The worst are the ones that want to argue about your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Tom Ford and I were gonna make this sign and hang it in our hangars. The worst are the ones that want to argue about your answer.
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    I too have had a lot of people like that at my airport.
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    There is a ring tool, KD-2354, with flat ends that work well for installing the rings. Not so much for taking them off.

    GearWrench 2534 E-Ring Lock-Ring Pliers

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    All control cables I have installed in the past have been at recover. This is the first time installing with cover on the bird. So my advice, even though not solicited, is to never, never buy a pre-made set to install on a covered cub.
    Every fairlead and pully needs to come apart. Pulling a cable with one bare end would be a simple process. Never too old to learn the hard way.........and no pheasants in the freezer yet.
    "Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdrvr View Post


    All control cables I have installed in the past have been at recover. This is the first time installing with cover on the bird. So my advice, even though not solicited, is to never, never buy a pre-made set to install on a covered cub.
    Every fairlead and pully needs to come apart. Pulling a cable with one bare end would be a simple process. Never too old to learn the hard way.........and no pheasants in the freezer yet.
    Sense your an old pro now, want to swing by and help with these rudder cables? I already replaced the elevator. Not during recover.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdrvr View Post


    And that's a bad thing how? I used to have a girlfriend who would read a particular film reviewer in the paper. If they hated the movie it was going to be good. Worked every time. Just because someone doesn't want to do something your way doesn't mean they're unsafe or even disrespectful. The person who fails to endorse your advice is not belittling it. Perhaps they're even looking for something they can eventually join you in, but haven't gotten there yet. The mere act of asking indicates some level of respect, so "Accentuate the Positive" and enjoy that - even if it's not what you'd hoped for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedOwlAirfield View Post
    And that's a bad thing how? I used to have a girlfriend who would read a particular film reviewer in the paper. If they hated the movie it was going to be good. Worked every time. Just because someone doesn't want to do something your way doesn't mean they're unsafe or even disrespectful. The person who fails to endorse your advice is not belittling it. Perhaps they're even looking for something they can eventually join you in, but haven't gotten there yet. The mere act of asking indicates some level of respect, so "Accentuate the Positive" and enjoy that - even if it's not what you'd hoped for.
    Save the time and don't ask. It gets old when 10 people or more a day ask you questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedOwlAirfield View Post
    And that's a bad thing how? I used to have a girlfriend who would read a particular film reviewer in the paper. If they hated the movie it was going to be good. Worked every time. Just because someone doesn't want to do something your way doesn't mean they're unsafe or even disrespectful. The person who fails to endorse your advice is not belittling it. Perhaps they're even looking for something they can eventually join you in, but haven't gotten there yet. The mere act of asking indicates some level of respect, so "Accentuate the Positive" and enjoy that - even if it's not what you'd hoped for.
    You've missed the point. The guys from the sign don't really want the advice, they want you to affirm that THEIR way is the best.

    And, by the way, if you see Dolf Lundgren in the cast, don't bother with the movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Save the time and don't ask. It gets old when 10 people or more a day ask you questions
    I definitely get that, but also it depends on whether they're freeloaders or good customers. I think Redowl is right in the point he makes, but I also agree that it's a different point than you had in mind. Asking for advice then insisting on receiving a particular answer is not honest asking.
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