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    Cleveland wheels and brake kit 199-23100

    I got a cub to annual and trying to figure out the paperwork. It has 3 bolt main wheels and no mention of upgraded gear. Turns out it’s HD Univair gear I think. It has 30-60A calipers and 1-1/2” axles. Does anyone know what wheels are calipers are called out in the Cleveland 199-23100 kit?

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    From an old Cleveland Product catalog: Piper J-3 Kit # 199-71 or -71A, wheel #40-60 or -60A, disc #164-06700, Brake assy #30-60A, Lining #066-10600
    Installation by Field Approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    From an old Cleveland Product catalog: Piper J-3 Kit # 199-71 or -71A, wheel #40-60 or -60A, disc #164-06700, Brake assy #30-60A, Lining #066-10600
    Installation by Field Approval.
    Isn’t the 199-71 kit for 1 1/4” axles? OP is asking about 1 1/2 axle gear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dgapilot View Post
    Isn’t the 199-71 kit for 1 1/4” axles? OP is asking about 1 1/2 axle gear.
    I can't answer that question as it isn't addressed in my 1994 catalog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    From an old Cleveland Product catalog: Piper J-3 Kit # 199-71 or -71A, wheel #40-60 or -60A, disc #164-06700, Brake assy #30-60A, Lining #066-10600
    Installation by Field Approval.
    Univair catalog sez that's for a 199-07100 kit.
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    199-71 is the 1 1/4" axle kit. 199-62 is the 1 1/2" axle kit. Both these kits are double puck brakes.

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    Univair catalog #105 says 199-23100 kit for J3 thru PA22 with 1-1/2" axles includes:
    040-08400 wheel, 164-01900 disc, 030-04102 brake assembly.
    Here's a pic of the brake assembly detail

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    Here's a scan the page of Cleveland kits page, it breaks down the components of each kit.
    If it's not readable, I can email it to you if you give me your email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    I got a cub to annual and trying to figure out the paperwork. It has 3 bolt main wheels and no mention of upgraded gear. Turns out it’s HD Univair gear I think. It has 30-60A calipers and 1-1/2” axles. Does anyone know what wheels are calipers are called out in the Cleveland 199-23100 kit?

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    Probably what the catalog calls the 199-231 kit made specifically for Univair? https://www.univair.com/tires-wheels...1-5-inch-axle/

    Look at the brake caliper parts drawings. The -41 and -60 calipers are on the same page and with exception of the housings they share identical parts. No idea what differs between the housings.
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    Back in the olden days a mechanic would just execute a 337 with the STC listed on back. Now the only legal way is to get a letter from the STC holder ($). Kinda neat - like a forever patent.

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    Sorta. If the STC is approved and written with language that says it requires a permission letter with a serial number for the aircraft (like all Garmins do), then it's a forever patent. But for the old STCs, it's the same as it ever was. Depends on the IA and how the STC is written.

    You can purchase the STC paperwork only from Univair for $84 for the Cleveland brake conversion. That's what I did to "legalize" my cub's installation:

    https://www.univair.com/piper/parts/...axle-stc-only/

    Quote Originally Posted by bob turner View Post
    Back in the olden days a mechanic would just execute a 337 with the STC listed on back. Now the only legal way is to get a letter from the STC holder ($). Kinda neat - like a forever patent.

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    Also you don't have to look at "old" cleveland parts catalog. Parker now owns Cleveland and all this stuff is still supported. Look at the current Cleveland catalog to understand the application:

    https://www.parker.com/literature/Ai.../AWBPC0001.pdf

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    I did call Univair and they said we have an stc for the gear and brake kit listed above but couldn’t tell me what model number the wheels and brakes were


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    My contact in engineering that would look things like that up is no longer there. I would call the Cleveland tech number. Had good luck getting answers from them.
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    Wheels are 40-84. Not sure on brake calipers. Good info on a different brake disc to provide caliper to tire clearance. https://www.shortwingpipers.org/foru...d-Brakes/page3
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    you might look at atlee dodge STC SA02231AK

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