PSTOL flaps Landing technique

Anyone else notice that the original post made comments most of us with PStol flaps have made. He never asked for advice.

bob turner said:

Took a CFI up yesterday in a 160 Cub. We had to go to 5000’ before he was comfortable, and after a reasonably good straight ahead stall and recovery he refused to even induce a break in any condition except flaps up straight ahead. And no demo stalls.

He knows I routinely fly upside down, and he has done stalls with me previously. He used to trust me.

old age is a bitch.

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that CFI would not do well in UPSET training... LOL...time for him to quit---age is not always an issue--I`m 89 and still "play" seriously with CUB and RV-8---you get old when you stop flying---Capt Cub------PS--how did he pass the check ride???

A flight review is not a check ride. And my stall sequence is now completely outside FAA requirements. I cannot force a student to go beyond FAA requirements - it has to be voluntary.

I do not mind demonstrating or watching an FAA recommended stall sequence, but I want to see if pilots can fly on the ragged edge without stalling, and then I want them to force the aircraft to stop flying, followed by a minimum altitude loss recovery. Not everybody sees the value in this.

I no longer recommend folks for checkrides. First, I do not know 4000 factoids about anything, much less aviation. A six hour oral is officially longer than any oral I ever took, including those in a university environment.

And second, most designees are unable to specify what they want during a checkride (can you show me a 60 mph approach with power on?). Had a J3 student flunk because the examiner couldn't say that sentence. I don't understand that philosophy.

bob turner said:

... but I want to see if pilots can fly on the ragged edge without stalling, and then I want them to force the aircraft to stop flying, followed by a minimum altitude loss recovery. Not everybody sees the value in this.

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That sounds like slow flight to me. Don't they do that anymore?

Isn't that what they are doing during those STOL contests such as at Valdez? That fellow a few years ago in Talkeetna couldn't do slow flight.

skywagon8a said:

That sounds like slow flight to me. Don't they do that anymore?

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https://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/acs/media/private_airplane_acs_change_1.pdf

See - VII. Slow Flight and Stalls

frequent_flyer said:

https://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/acs/media/private_airplane_acs_change_1.pdf

See - VII. Slow Flight and Stalls

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Establish and maintain an airspeed at which any further increase in angle of attack,increase in load factor, or reduction in power, would result in a stall warning (e.g., airplanebuffet, stall horn, etc.)
Accomplish coordinated straight-and-level flight, turns, climbs, and descents with theairplane configured as specified by the evaluator without a stall warning (e.g., airplanebuffet, stall horn, etc.).

Yep. I see less value in that than I do in notifying airmissions.
The stall warning horn in my Decathlon was set to go on a full 8 mph before onset of buffet. Obnoxious on approach.

Nice to know what the FAA thinks about flying

Gary