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    Axe mounting/storage

    Curious how people mount/store their axe. The struts seem like a good place with rubber grip straps but probably is frowned upon by the feds in the lower 48. I don’t have extended baggage in the -12, but do have a fishing Rod tube and the -14 cathedral brace. 27” axe. Let’s hear what y’all do.
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    I usually keep mine in the belly pod. In extended baggage if I have pod full of meat/props/struts. I would only hang it on a strut/gear if I had no other place to stick it. Everything you put out on the gear or struts is drag!! I have stuck survival gear on strut because cub was full of bypass mail. If you use it for a step then you are trading step drag but I think a ax has higher drag. While we are on the topic (caution wine on board) Having a ax onboard is weight, but it is a extremely useful tool for driving in Duckbills/tent stakes/clearing runways/cutting wood/ect!! If I had my choice to survive in Alaska and most anywhere I would take a ax over any firearm!! Packing aircraft is simple put in what you need after the crash. Everything else fits or stays on the ramp!! DENNY
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    Incidental pics of handles in belly pod. Best place IMO.
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    Mount it on the gear and use it as a step. I’ve seen a couple done that way. Or just attach it to an existing step. https://fadodge.com/survival-axe/
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    I don’t have a belly pod or extended baggage, and I have stock gear so the step thing may not work. Not as worried about drag on the strut as I am about the feds. I reckon it’ll just go in the fishing tube with the tie downs and soft stuff.
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    I seriously doubt the FAA would care if you had an axe lashed to a strut. No different from snowshoes or rifles, which are allowed.
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    Here’s what a couple of neighbors have on their gear. They make great steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    I seriously doubt the FAA would care if you had an axe lashed to a strut. No different from snowshoes or rifles, which are allowed.
    That’s an Alaska thing, Stewart. Mileage may vary in Lower 48.

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    I'm curious. Can each FSDO, or state, determine what's legal in their jurisdiction? Or do FAR's apply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdrvr View Post
    I'm curious. Can each FSDO, or state, determine what's legal in their jurisdiction? Or do FAR's apply?
    How long have you been around Dave? Interpretation of FARs and attitude of the particular FSDO is the determining factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    How long have you been around Dave? Interpretation of FARs and attitude of the particular FSDO is the determining factor.
    I get that, but has any FSDO determination been challenged vs. another FSDO determination? I know of several, when denied by their local FSDO that have gone to
    another FSDO. Now, when that someone returns to their state can their local FSDO again deny the approval of the issuing FSDO? Are previous field approvals in question
    depending on location? Is there a requirement that FA's be presented to the local FSDO prior to going out of state? Maybe we should work on identifying the sanctuary FSDO's?
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    If I have the paperwork signed the other FSDO can pound sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubdrvr View Post
    I get that, but has any FSDO determination been challenged vs. another FSDO determination? I know of several, when denied by their local FSDO that have gone to
    another FSDO. Now, when that someone returns to their state can their local FSDO again deny the approval of the issuing FSDO? Are previous field approvals in question
    depending on location? Is there a requirement that FA's be presented to the local FSDO prior to going out of state? Maybe we should work on identifying the sanctuary FSDO's?
    Yes, I had a field approval done by a FSDO in the state the plane was operated in. Inspector from neighbor state was doing something there and determined that the plane was unairworthy.

    The two FSDOs got into a significant tiff, which ultimately was settled by the Region. Field approval was legit all along, but this ding dong said you can’t field approve external antennas……

    And, we had “disagreements” between the ANC FSDO and some guy in the Region…..

    I had a totally legit field approval signed by a FAI Inspector, which was subsequently rescinded by a new FAI Inspector, and that stuck….loooong story, but true, the second guy screwed up, but Inspectors do not make errors, so it stuck……even though the boss knew he’d screwed up.

    I view Flight Standards offices as a local version of the Afghan model: Dozens of local “Tribes” sorta allied with the “National” organization. They all allegedly operate under the same set of rules, but they each interpret those how THEY see fit, without regard to what the guys down the road think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Yes, I had a field approval done by a FSDO in the state the plane was operated in. Inspector from neighbor state was doing something there and determined that the plane was unairworthy.

    The two FSDOs got into a significant tiff, which ultimately was settled by the Region. Field approval was legit all along, but this ding dong said you can’t field approve external antennas……

    And, we had “disagreements” between the ANC FSDO and some guy in the Region…..

    I had a totally legit field approval signed by a FAI Inspector, which was subsequently rescinded by a new FAI Inspector, and that stuck….loooong story, but true, the second guy screwed up, but Inspectors do not make errors, so it stuck……even though the boss knew he’d screwed up.

    I view Flight Standards offices as a local version of the Afghan model: Dozens of local “Tribes” sorta allied with the “National” organization. They all allegedly operate under the same set of rules, but they each interpret those how THEY see fit, without regard to what the guys down the road think.

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    Really the only way they could make you take a Field Approval off an aircraft is to initiate a certificate action against the airplane airworthiness certificate. I’ve challenged any number of inspectors and haven’t lost yet (I’m sure there will be a first time). It all depends on how far you want to push. On more than one occasion an inspector has written a “condition notice” that says operation of this aircraft may be a violation of the regulations. While the inspector was still there I told him I was going to go fly around the patch and when I get back I want either the condition notice gone, or a letter of investigation. Since the letter of investigation requires a LOT of work on the part of the inspector, they have always backed down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dgapilot View Post
    Really the only way they could make you take a Field Approval off an aircraft is to initiate a certificate action against the airplane airworthiness certificate. I’ve challenged any number of inspectors and haven’t lost yet (I’m sure there will be a first time). It all depends on how far you want to push. On more than one occasion an inspector has written a “condition notice” that says operation of this aircraft may be a violation of the regulations. While the inspector was still there I told him I was going to go fly around the patch and when I get back I want either the condition notice gone, or a letter of investigation. Since the letter of investigation requires a LOT of work on the part of the inspector, they have always backed down.


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    Yes, in one of those cases, the Inspector hung a yellow tag on the plane. I removed it, handed it to him and went flying.

    The case where the FA was rescinded, I clearly showed the Inspector why the FA was valid (he accused me of trying to circumvent the STC system, not bothering to discover that my FA pre-dated the date of issuance of the STC. That office argued the plane was unairworthy, and at the time, my employment required a pilot certificate. I talked to the office Chief and he verified.

    So, a **** show ensued, wherein the FAA Inspector got even more egg on his face, and ultimately an STC AND another field approval were applied to fix what wasn’t broke. Fortunately the total dent in my wallet was $50 (and there’s yet another story therein,btw).

    Thats when I lost a lot of faith in the FSDO system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodiakmack View Post
    Curious how people mount/store their axe. The struts seem like a good place with rubber grip straps but probably is frowned upon by the feds in the lower 48. I don’t have extended baggage in the -12, but do have a fishing Rod tube and the -14 cathedral brace. 27” axe. Let’s hear what y’all do.
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    My Fiskers is always in the pod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    Here’s what a couple of neighbors have on their gear. They make great steps.

    Stewart, any idea who made/makes those attachments? They aren't Atlee. They look similar... on the aft side anyway.

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    Grant Chapman, I presume. The yellow Cub was his until a friend bought it a few months ago. I wouldn't recognize if they were Atlee's or not. I just like the utility so I snapped the pics.

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