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    Travel to Alaska through Canada

    Has anyone flown a cub or similar size aircraft into Calgary international to clear customs? Any hints or advice is appreciated thank you.
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    I did it once years ago. It wasn’t a big deal, I just decided Lethbridge was far easier as far as in and out, customs access, etc.

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    Hi Denny. I would stop and clear customs in Lethbridge CYQL instead. Smaller airport without landing fees. Much less hassle in the long run. If you need a place to stop near Edmonton I have a 2300 foot grass strip and accommodations available.
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    Friends in BC and Ontario say they are locked down tighter then ever. In BC they said not only is inter-provincial travel banned but BC has multiple health districts and travel between health districts within the province is also banned.
    • Fraser Health Authority (FHA)
    • Interior Health Authority (IHA)
    • Northern Health Authority (NHA)
    • Vancouver Island Health Authority (VIHA)
    • Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Farmer View Post
    Hi Denny. I would stop and clear customs in Lethbridge CYQL instead. Smaller airport without landing fees. Much less hassle in the long run. If you need a place to stop near Edmonton I have a 2300 foot grass strip and accommodations available.
    A gent who went up there about three weeks ago, from Montana to AK said that Calgary was the only place in the province they'd let him clear customs in a light plane. He said it wasn't a huge pain in any case, though.

    That's what they did right after 9/11 also. I had to fly from Fairbanks to Whitehorse for Customs, so that I could then fly to Old Crow to meet a Canada Customs officer and an RCMP Constable.....go figure.

    He said Whitehorse wasn't very friendly.

    I'd keep checking the COVID craziness as time gets closer...I'd imagine this stuff is going to change daily.

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    In 2018 I flew a cub from Alaska to Oregon. I used an app "Flashpass" to help file eAPIS for the US Border. Art developed the app and was very helpful and made my crossing back into the USA seamless and easy. My stop in Canada was at Whitehorse and it required a single phone call. I was assigned a transponder code when I left Williams Lake and the US Border electronics were interrogating me as I approached the border- (thank god they are protecting us all from terrorists in cubs!). I highly recommend the app- used mainly for Canada or Mexico crossings.

    Given the "Covid hysteria" the rules have gotten much more complicated. The Canada agent that receives you in Canada has the power to say "No", so bring as much valid documentation with you (like your reasons to travel to Canada or Alaska). Also entry airports have been reduced in both Canada and the US (I crossed at Dorthy Scott and it was a breeze but this can longer be used I understand). These new rules are likely going to be with us forever although modifications are likely.

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    I just yesterday spoke directly with the port director at CBSA Del Bonitas. They will clear GA aircraft there, although reportedly the runway is currently in rough shape.
    Call the Montana POC for Whetstone to get a firm update on field conditions.
    Incidentally, Del Bonitas is not taking vehicular traffic to AK. If one is heading to AK in an auto/truck/RV, etc., they will shunt you east to Coutts, where you can also clear via aircraft. The CBSA officer was audibly rolling his eyes at that one. Said it's been "pretty quiet" consequently.

    You might experience a heightened search program at Coutts. That's where almost $29M of meth was intercepted northbound end of last year - a record land border bust for Canada. The semi driver was from Calgary.

    Also, re: Whitehorse, I've never had anything but pleasant service there. Sometimes they won't even come out to check a firearm. Guess it's a roll of the dice, but still... nice folks thus far.

    As Mike wrote - best to check shortly before attempting crossing. CBSA tel is 1-800-461-9999, and they can patch you through to Del Bonita, Coutts, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    A gent who went up there about three weeks ago, from Montana to AK said that Calgary was the only place in the province they'd let him clear customs in a light plane. He said it wasn't a huge pain in any case, though.

    That's what they did right after 9/11 also. I had to fly from Fairbanks to Whitehorse for Customs, so that I could then fly to Old Crow to meet a Canada Customs officer and an RCMP Constable.....go figure.

    He said Whitehorse wasn't very friendly.

    I'd keep checking the COVID craziness as time gets closer...I'd imagine this stuff is going to change daily.

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    As I noted, I’d keep checking, right up to date of departure. I’m told Del Bonita has a lot of gopher holes and maybe a badger to go with. No work party last year due to COVID. MPA is planning to get a work party together early this summer there.

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    You’d think the MT government would be doing that field, given its status

    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    As I noted, I’d keep checking, right up to date of departure. I’m told Del Bonita has a lot of gopher holes and maybe a badger to go with. No work party last year due to COVID. MPA is planning to get a work party together early this summer there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyR View Post
    You’d think the MT government would be doing that field, given its status
    They are a cooperator and participator in the work party. Aeronautics cooperates with the work parties on several federally owned strips.

    Del Bonita’s work parties have in past been coordinated by A Canadian aviation group and the Montana Flying Farmers. Last year, the MT Flying Farmers disbanded. Montana Pilots Association is now acting as the US coordinator.

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    Some gopher holes should not be an issue for something like a Cub/Champ/Husky with good size tires?? It could be an issue for a nosewheel airplane with regular sized tires though. Del Bonita looks like a wonderful spot to clear customs!

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    Anybody gone back through from Anchorage back to USA lately? I have to ferry a 185 back to MN and need to get cleared in Whitehorse or somewhere in the area. I will be on a commercial flight with a letter from the aircraft owner stating I am hired to ferry his aircraft. I could do the coast route as this has LR gas but this time of year inland seems like a better play if Trudeau doesn't arrest me and put me in a gulag (would that be Saskatoon?)

    Let me know recent experience I am calling Whitehorse customs this week to see what they say also.

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    Please keep us posted on your trip down thru Canada, I plan on bringing my Husky down in late July. Thinking I will make it to MT. Then turn East and stay in the States to the East coast.

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    Seems to change by the day. Canada is currently at a peak Covid surge so they are locking down pretty hard (they do not have the vaccine supplies the U.S does) Everyone we met worked hard to get us to Alaska. If I had the range I would just overfly Canada on the coast, might have to spend a few days waiting for the right weather but no paperwork. We met a few other planes coming up through Montana and they had no problems. You will be expected to fly, fuel, taxi, hotel, with minimal population contact. No walking around, bars, restaurants. If you do fly inland call ahead and talk to someone, great people trying to make it work for everyone. Skky hotel in Whitehorse is 5 min walk from terminal and has Italian restaurant that delivers food and whine to the room!! Grand Prairie has happy gas with hanger for 75 dollars and local Chinese restaurant delivers food and beer to your hotel. Get in and back out as quick as possible. Usually means a non-direct route to MN but a few extra hours is better than not going at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    Skky hotel in Whitehorse is 5 min walk from terminal and has Italian restaurant that delivers food and whine to the room!! DENNY
    If I want "whine" in the room I can bring the wife.....

    Sorry. I just couldn't resist. It's not factually accurate either. I have probably the most aviation friendly wife in the known universe.
    But the joke was just too easy - and I DO like easy. Just ask my wife..... Dang! There I go again.

    Sorry.

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    I'm thankful for this report on Canadian customs from a week ago. Please continue to send me reports and I'll post here & on my website https://fly2ak.com/?page_id=24

    ===============

    Customs

    Huge nightmare, I don't recommend anyone trying to fly through Canada until major changes occur. Things are changing rapidly in the US with major progress on vaccinations, but my understanding is that Canada is way behind and obviously their government is always painful to deal with. We are both pilots and AK residents, and we spoke with the customs official 2-3 times / week for SIX WEEKS leading up to our trip, and she held our hands telling us exactly what we needed to do.

    Fast-forward to our trip. We've been told that we need a negative COVID test within 72 hrs of crossing the border, and that even one hour past 72 would result in us being turned away, so we planned to get the test along the way once it was clear that we could make it to Canada within that window without wx / plane / other issues. Canada will only accept PCR tests, and explicitly will not accept an antigen test. Since a polymerase reaction test is in fact an antigen test, and testing paperwork is not standardized, we had to spend 4 hrs finding a clinic in Price UT whose paperwork included only verbiage acceptable to Canadian officials.

    Problem solved....or so we thought. We arrive on the border with our data pre-populated in the ArriveCan app, as requested. But we couldn't submit our application through the app, because it's not set up to even accept a non-Canadian address as a final destination. Customs officials (who were very friendly and helpful, and even called the current Canadian situation a "police state") called their superiors, then the health department started telling them that we would be required to get another COVID test (barely 48 hrs after our last one) and quarantine for 5 days...after two hours, they told us they were making an executive decision, took down our information by hand and told us to get moving. What a clusterf-ck.
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    Which port of entry?

    Quote Originally Posted by tedwaltman1 View Post
    I'm thankful for this report on Canadian customs from a week ago. Please continue to send me reports and I'll post here & on my website https://fly2ak.com/?page_id=24

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    Customs

    Huge nightmare, I don't recommend anyone trying to fly through Canada until major changes occur. Things are changing rapidly in the US with major progress on vaccinations, but my understanding is that Canada is way behind and obviously their government is always painful to deal with. We are both pilots and AK residents, and we spoke with the customs official 2-3 times / week for SIX WEEKS leading up to our trip, and she held our hands telling us exactly what we needed to do.

    Fast-forward to our trip. We've been told that we need a negative COVID test within 72 hrs of crossing the border, and that even one hour past 72 would result in us being turned away, so we planned to get the test along the way once it was clear that we could make it to Canada within that window without wx / plane / other issues. Canada will only accept PCR tests, and explicitly will not accept an antigen test. Since a polymerase reaction test is in fact an antigen test, and testing paperwork is not standardized, we had to spend 4 hrs finding a clinic in Price UT whose paperwork included only verbiage acceptable to Canadian officials.

    Problem solved....or so we thought. We arrive on the border with our data pre-populated in the ArriveCan app, as requested. But we couldn't submit our application through the app, because it's not set up to even accept a non-Canadian address as a final destination. Customs officials (who were very friendly and helpful, and even called the current Canadian situation a "police state") called their superiors, then the health department started telling them that we would be required to get another COVID test (barely 48 hrs after our last one) and quarantine for 5 days...after two hours, they told us they were making an executive decision, took down our information by hand and told us to get moving. What a clusterf-ck.

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    I got home last night form Washington State with a cub. Had to use Kelowna for customs as Kamloops was closed on weekends.

    One thing I found is that not even the customs folks can keep up with changes. BE POLITE but know the rules. I was asked about Covid test- but was told by CANPAS I am exempt because I am a REQUIRED crew member... the Canadian Government does not differentiate Airline Jets from Super Cubs! So crew is exempt from lots of the stuff.

    Don't Take Passengers!! The plane's owner with an instructor is NOT REQUIRED CREW! In fact, if you are the owner you better have a letter showing employment in Alaska, or be from Alaska taking the plane home. As an owner you might actually need the Covid test, I was hired to move the plane so the questions became few once it was established I was flying in commerce.

    The Canadians use the term 'ESSENTIAL' as related to their country, not ours. They need jet traffic, but forget about the little guys- that is our loophole!

    My phone won't do the app, so they had a paper I filled out. They were nice about it, just a part of the requirements. My phone did not work in most of Canada.

    Things to know:

    Tech. Stops are allowed- meaning stops required for safety of flight. Overnight, fuel, oil check... all ok. Stops to go fishing not so much. Know the term Tech Stop.

    Canadians like Masks.

    Don't have passengers. A jet might get away with a claim of two pilots, but a cub or 180 is going to be an issue. Their view is it is a pleasure, or unrequited, flight if you need two people.

    Covid Test is NOT required for essential aircraft crew. be polite when you remind the Customs folks about that. I got asked, but they were pleasant and accepted my statement. Confirm with CANPASS when you call in though. (Again, ask about REQUIRED crew).

    When in Canada, please remember that how you treat the rules they set out for travel will directly impact those traveling behind you. Make haste and get through. Don't wander around town, even though no one is checking on you. The big border lockdown a year ago was because folks were found vacationing in their national parks, not traveling through as they were told. Let's not give them an excuse to separate little planes from Jets in their rules.

    FYI: Kelowna Customs took about 10 minutes, including having me fill out the form.



    On another note, Williams Lake is a $40 cab ride each way to town. Not spending another night there if I can help it. Nice people, but sucky tiedowns and expensive to go to and from town.

    Smithers allowed me to use grass to depart, so if you are going through there, you can ask for grass!



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    I just spoke with the Acting Port Director of US Customs for Del Bonita in Montana. He said the strip is open, and both the Canadians and US CBP are clearing pilots through at Del Bonita. US Customs is NOT open on Saturday or Sunday. Not sure about Canada Customs.

    Del Bonita is a very friendly stop to clear going either way.

    Montana Pilots Assn and Montana Aeronautics, along with Alberta Flying Farmers are hoping to do a work party at Del Bonita in early June.

    More later.

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    Thanks AKTango, great information, sort of speak.
    I will follow up with details on my trip June 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    I got home last night form Washington State with a cub. Had to use Kelowna for customs as Kamloops was closed on weekends.

    One thing I found is that not even the customs folks can keep up with changes. BE POLITE but know the rules. I was asked about Covid test- but was told by CANPAS I am exempt because I am a REQUIRED crew member... the Canadian Government does not differentiate Airline Jets from Super Cubs! So crew is exempt from lots of the stuff.

    Don't Take Passengers!! The plane's owner with an instructor is NOT REQUIRED CREW! In fact, if you are the owner you better have a letter showing employment in Alaska, or be from Alaska taking the plane home. As an owner you might actually need the Covid test, I was hired to move the plane so the questions became few once it was established I was flying in commerce.

    The Canadians use the term 'ESSENTIAL' as related to their country, not ours. They need jet traffic, but forget about the little guys- that is our loophole!

    My phone won't do the app, so they had a paper I filled out. They were nice about it, just a part of the requirements. My phone did not work in most of Canada.

    Things to know:

    Tech. Stops are allowed- meaning stops required for safety of flight. Overnight, fuel, oil check... all ok. Stops to go fishing not so much. Know the term Tech Stop.

    Canadians like Masks.

    Don't have passengers. A jet might get away with a claim of two pilots, but a cub or 180 is going to be an issue. Their view is it is a pleasure, or unrequited, flight if you need two people.

    Covid Test is NOT required for essential aircraft crew. be polite when you remind the Customs folks about that. I got asked, but they were pleasant and accepted my statement. Confirm with CANPASS when you call in though. (Again, ask about REQUIRED crew).

    When in Canada, please remember that how you treat the rules they set out for travel will directly impact those traveling behind you. Make haste and get through. Don't wander around town, even though no one is checking on you. The big border lockdown a year ago was because folks were found vacationing in their national parks, not traveling through as they were told. Let's not give them an excuse to separate little planes from Jets in their rules.

    FYI: Kelowna Customs took about 10 minutes, including having me fill out the form.



    On another note, Williams Lake is a $40 cab ride each way to town. Not spending another night there if I can help it. Nice people, but sucky tiedowns and expensive to go to and from town.

    Smithers allowed me to use grass to depart, so if you are going through there, you can ask for grass!



    Thank you for the info. I have a question if you don't mind. I have my cub going up from Texas to Ak on May 12th. The pilot I hired is a commercial pilot and I hired his brother to work up in AK for me for the summer. He is a pilot too. My question is my pilots brother was going to fly up with him. He is going for work. Do you think they will let him through Canada? Thanks again for any help. Scott

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    Canada just extended the COVID border closure thru June 21st. Link: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...e-21-1.5433345

    On a positive note, there are indications that talks between the U.S. & Canada to open up the border are "on-going." Link: https://www.cicnews.com/2021/05/cana...html#gs.14z05f Of course, no details on what that would entail...stay tuned!
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    Update on the TRENCH route:

    Update from pilot who just flew the Trench route this week in a C-172. I'll also post this on http://fly2ak.com

    Sigh, it seems the BC government (?) took over the fuel ops at McKenzie CYZY. Vicki and Jim are no longer there.

    No more 100LL. Limited Jet A.

    More importantly, no more free ice cream cones from Vicki and Jim.

    Closest reasonable fuel is Quesnel CYQZ, unless one wants to literally get screwed at Prince George CYXS. Last time I stopped at Prince George even the fuel truck guys recommended getting absolute minimum needed to safely reach the next closest stop. And if one were to purchase more than 49.9 liters there was a surcharge!

    Dropping McKenzie effectively adds 160 miles to the required fuel range. Total distance now from Quesnel to Watson Lake CYQH is 553 sm.

    Apparently 90 octane MOGAS is available on an emergency basis at Fort Graham CBW3.

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    Additional note re McKenzie. Apparently local government will have 100LL available early this summer? No specific date yet. Word is local folks in McKenzie are not happy re government putting Vicki and Jim out of business.
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    Sorry I took a week to get back here but here are a couple notes from my journey from Homer back to MN.

    We did the Alaska Airman's Show and spoke to more than a couple pilots that had recently cleared Canada customs in varying locations. We planned Whitehorse and we got about 4 different versions of what they want and what to expect. One guy got thru in Cub with a passenger but he said the customs guy said since he had a AK address he viewed it as allowing a pax. Another guy said it was a nightmare and the customs guys had no idea he was coming and he strongly recommended not bringing a pax (there were two of us in an amphib 185). The consensus was there is no consistency and that Canada has no "set" policy that appears to be standard for arrivals and thru flights. I know that is anecdotal but we were spooked enough to go the coast route.

    Coast route was good with the usual gas spots open and available. Yak, Sitka and Ketchikan were our stops and we went non-stop Ketchikan to Bellingham and worked Vancouver Tower for a border squawk. Flint tips and LR fuel were huge as we had about 15 on the nose for that leg and blocked over 5:15 on the leg. Only snag was we were overdue on landing as the flight plan was for 4 hours and we couldn't update it being low and in Canada. They left me a voicemail asking where we were that I answered on landing.

    I sure wish Canada would get it together and recognize that vaccinated people or those with anti bodies are no threat and that we are willing to pay grandly to catch and eat their fish.
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    Vicki told me in late summer 2019 that there were whispers even then of this change happening, but had felt at the time that 100LL would always be available whether gov-administrated or private. Sad to see them go.
    Wait and watch at this point re: future of 100ll there.


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    Update on the TRENCH route:

    Update from pilot who just flew the Trench route this week in a C-172. I'll also post this on http://fly2ak.com

    Sigh, it seems the BC government (?) took over the fuel ops at McKenzie CYZY. Vicki and Jim are no longer there.

    No more 100LL. Limited Jet A.

    More importantly, no more free ice cream cones from Vicki and Jim.

    Closest reasonable fuel is Quesnel CYQZ, unless one wants to literally get screwed at Prince George CYXS. Last time I stopped at Prince George even the fuel truck guys recommended getting absolute minimum needed to safely reach the next closest stop. And if one were to purchase more than 49.9 liters there was a surcharge!

    Dropping McKenzie effectively adds 160 miles to the required fuel range. Total distance now from Quesnel to Watson Lake CYQH is 553 sm.

    Apparently 90 octane MOGAS is available on an emergency basis at Fort Graham CBW3.
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    Thank you for the update Paul. I'll add it to my website fly2ak.com later.

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    For those of you that have been through CAnada lately , are they checking the type of medical you have? I know they do not accept Basic Med as a valid medical, but I have never been checked prior to COVID. Since getting my Basic Med., I have always traveled with a pilot with a valid medical, but we were never checked. I have got to make a trip south from AK in August or September and all buddies are now flying on Basic Med. Don’t think the western route is viable in my Pacer 22/20!


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    Alaska would be an awesome trip, but holding a Sport Pilot certificate it is off the table. IF I went PPL (which is under consideration) it would be Basic Med only.

    OH well, maybe someday the Canuks will come around

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    Travel to Alaska through Canada

    I doubt it......while traveling in Canada a couple of years ago, happened to have dinner with a group of guys and one of the them was a top administrator for Transport Canada. We had a long conversation about the Basic Med program, and he told us that all the powers that be and especially the medical people where totally against EVER recognizing the program by Canada.


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    Respectfully folks, If you are not qualified to fly in Canada, DON"T!!!

    When Covid hit, Canada was letting folks travel to and from Alaska, but were clear that you could only go direct through, no stoping at parks, no playing along the way. Then people were found camping and vacationing in the Jasper area. Results were they shut the border to only 'essential' travel.

    Having pilots knowingly fly into Canada when they don't have proper medical or license will only make it more difficult for the rest of us that actually need to travel through.

    It might cost you more money, but plenty of folks are willing to move your plane the two days across Canada.
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    I never have, and though somewhat tempting to try it if they aren’t checking, I would never actually do it. I don’t want to be breaking the law in ANY foreign country, even Canada. I’ve spent my life following the rules as best I can and it’s too late to change now! I was just curious if they were checking. I have always wondered why they don’t as nit picky as I have found them to be about everything else.


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    I never have, and though somewhat tempting to try it if they aren’t checking, I would never actually do it. I don’t want to be breaking the law in ANY foreign country, even Canada. I’ve spent my life following the rules as best I can and it’s too late to change now! I was just curious if they were checking. I have always wondered why they don’t as nit picky as I have found them to be about everything else.


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    This ^^^^^^

    I work internationally all over the world (never in Canada) and that absolute last thing I would ever do it jeopardize my somewhat free access to cross international borders.

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    I agree that fully vaccinated people should not be subjected to the same restrictions as those who are dragging their feet or who choose never to be vaccinated. Only four percent of us Canadians have had two doses so until we get our act together we will continue to be held hostage by the laggards. It sucks, on all kinds of levels. I wish it were otherwise.

    When it comes to Basic Med and Sport Pilot (I have a Class 4 med and Rec. Pilot - very similar) I think it's a matter of "you first... no, you first".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NunavutPA-12 View Post
    I agree that fully vaccinated people should not be subjected to the same restrictions as those who are dragging their feet or who choose never to be vaccinated. Only four percent of us Canadians have had two doses so until we get our act together we will continue to be held hostage by the laggards. It sucks, on all kinds of levels. I wish it were otherwise.

    When it comes to Basic Med and Sport Pilot (I have a Class 4 med and Rec. Pilot - very similar) I think it's a matter of "you first... no, you first".
    I have been fully vaccinated since April 1st and this afternoon I have to get a PCR test to travel to Denmark tomorrow…. I have had over 30 tests in 2021 already. I had one 18 hour period when I had TWO full scrape the inside back of the skull PCR tests…. Yep, one was a “departure” test and one was an “arrival” test.

    The world needs to recognize vaccinated people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah-Jay View Post
    I have been fully vaccinated since April 1st and this afternoon I have to get a PCR test to travel to Denmark tomorrow…. I have had over 30 tests in 2021 already. I had one 18 hour period when I had TWO full scrape the inside back of the skull PCR tests…. Yep, one was a “departure” test and one was an “arrival” test.

    The world needs to recognize vaccinated people.
    Yeah because vaccinated people are more likely to spread it. Sorry friends you've been had, welcome to Tuskegee 2.0, and no it isn't the fighter pilot Tuskegee ride it is the other one that ran from 1932 to 1972.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreggB View Post
    Yeah because vaccinated people are more likely to spread it. Sorry friends you've been had, welcome to Tuskegee 2.0, and no it isn't the fighter pilot Tuskegee ride it is the other one that ran from 1932 to 1972.
    people who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreggB View Post
    Yeah because vaccinated people are more likely to spread it. Sorry friends you've been had, welcome to Tuskegee 2.0, and no it isn't the fighter pilot Tuskegee ride it is the other one that ran from 1932 to 1972.
    With ALL due respect, a friend who is a world renowned cancer and virology scientist who I see nearly daily begs to differ with you. But you are entitled to your opinion, but not facts. Sorry to be snippy, but my friend is on the cutting edge of this stuff and I am super tired of all this useless testing, oftentimes 3-4 per week.

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    As I was told by Canadian authorities at CBSA, the primary reason they do not currently differentiate between vaccinated and non-vaccinated travelers is the relative ease in procuring forged vaccination documents and the relative difficulty in verifying them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utah-Jay View Post
    I have been fully vaccinated since April 1st and this afternoon I have to get a PCR test to travel to Denmark tomorrow…. I have had over 30 tests in 2021 already. I had one 18 hour period when I had TWO full scrape the inside back of the skull PCR tests…. Yep, one was a “departure” test and one was an “arrival” test.

    The world needs to recognize vaccinated people.
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