I tried that at altitude in my 12, a staggering climb with full flaps. It took almost 200 ft to fully recover and flare to level flight. That was without practicing more than a couple times, but also without startle factor.It’s not just twins... A good friend was doing a short takeoff and max climb in a PA-12 when it quit. Stick full forward and the nose had barely dropped at all as the airplane impacted the runway with a near vertical vector. Probably about 50 to 75 feet when it quit....
That is true, but in the take off which was happening in that photo that was not the case. Vmc is only 58 mph.It's amazing what some twins are capable of ..... esp if you ignore blueline.
It’s not just twins... A good friend was doing a short takeoff and max climb in a PA-12 when it quit. Stick full forward and the nose had barely dropped at all as the airplane impacted the runway with a near vertical vector. Probably about 50 to 75 feet when it quit....
Thanks for this picture E, never saw it from this perspective. My recollection is looking out the right rear window at the Cub's unsuccessful attempt to keep up.Here is the outcome of our own Skywagon8a showing one of Maine's very best, Warden Pilot Gary Doumond what a
Twin Bee will do in Greenville 1978! It was Quick.View attachment 55085
The objective in these contests is to get off the water/ground. The slow steep climb outs are dangerous in any airplane and are not need for a win in the competition. Break ground, lower nose, accelerate and climb out at a safe speed.
Oooo, I like that!Should be if you not level at 50' it's a DQ
Glenn
As a general rule of thumb that is a very fair statement. However, in the instance of the airplane noted in post#1 of this thread, the airplane was within the normal safe parameters of it's performance capabilities. It just looks to be showing off. It is truly an amazing airplane unlike it's lead sled predecessor.The objective in these contests is to get off the water/ground. The slow steep climb outs are dangerous in any airplane and are not need for a win in the competition. Break ground, lower nose, accelerate and climb out at a safe speed.
I had the fortunate opportunity to fly that Nomad. It's surprising it didn't catch on in the part 135 community.Your certainly welcome Pete! Found that pic and one of the Nomad on floats that belonged to J&J. I remember Bob Bryant and his Helio he took to Labrador ever summer, all this quite a ways back in the rear view mirror!
Remember when Charlie Coe and Max F tied two 185's togeather and took off and flew around and landed? Also
Telford used to get a couple of girls in bikinis to squat down in hatches of 3500 PK's and spring out as they flew past the crowd???? But your performances with the TwinBee was a showstopper! Great demonstration of what it will do with the master at the helm!
As a general rule of thumb that is a very fair statement. However, in the instance of the airplane noted in post#1 of this thread, the airplane was within the normal safe parameters of it's performance capabilities. It just looks to be showing off. It is truly an amazing airplane unlike it's lead sled predecessor.
Those take off contests were the highlight of the weekend. Most folks came just to watch those. Reid Campbell was always a sure bet, I remember them all draining gas, stripping out anything that wasnt hooked down. I remember there being 20 planes fly in the contest Earle? Tony Cesere was a good stick , Later on the Dunn boys always dominated, still do. I just remember it being really competitive. Then Douten got beat by a girl one day....
jim
You need to fly and become familiar with a Twin Bee to learn what it will easily do.Maybe so but the Super Cub pilot would have had his hands full if his engine had quit. As amazing as the Twin Bee may be, had an engine quit at the moment in the picture, directional control might not be an issue if above VMC and perfect pilot technique but I would have a hard time believing that the airplane would not contact the water.
There's a Twin Bee parked on the ramp at Arlington WA KAWO.
It was a hangar queen for many years at another nearby airport,
but was ferried over to KAWO last year & worked on there for quite a while.
So maybe it's squared away, maybe not.
It might be for sale if anyone's interested --
call Wild Blue Aviation on the field there for more info.