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    Alaska GarminPilot /ForeFlight revisited

    I switched from Foreflight to Garmin Pilot a few years back because in Alaska the Garmin Pilot Chart portrayals seemed to be more accurate. My Garmin Pilot subscription has expired so thought id check to see if anything has changed before I renew Garmin Pilot. For those of you familiar with both in Alaska is one better than the other?

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    Still a happy GP user. No shortcomings that have motivated me to reconsider dropping Foreflight. I can’t say anything negative or positive about Foreflight since I haven’t looked at it in a few years. My feedback about Garmin Pilot is five stars.
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    I imported a .kmz file that a local guy posted on Facebook that adds CTAF boundaries as an overlay. Garmin tech told me a kmz file wouldn’t work but to our surprise, it did. It works on Foreflight, too. Just a cool add-on not many guys know about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    I imported a .kmz file that a local guy posted on Facebook that adds CTAF boundaries as an overlay. Garmin tech told me a kmz file wouldn’t work but to our surprise, it did. It works on Foreflight, too. Just a cool add-on not many guys know about.
    Any chance you can share that KMZ file?

    Nice to see that Garmin made some improvements. They were needed. I switched from Garmin Pilot to Foreflight so I can use .mbtile files. Once you use those you just can't go back. The other problem I had was with the .gplt format for exporting user waypoints. I found that a bit annoying. Foreflight uses .csv which is a universal open format.

    If you are OK with Garmin Pilot now then why switch. Learning another app was not fun for me at all and if there was not such a compelling reason to switch I would have stayed with Garmin.

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    Garmin can import user waypoints from CSV now. For trip planning Foreflight might have the edge, but like others have previously pointed out, I too prefer the Garmin Pilot interface while flying.

    Forflight is great, but the Apple tax is too high for some of us. I tend to have 3 Android Garmin Pilot devices on me for any given flight for very little $.
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    With Garmin Pilot you always could import .cvs user waypoint files. The problem was you could not export user waypoint files from Garmin Pilot in anything but the .gplt format. If that has changed then that would be an improvement. Try exporting your user waypoints and see what type of file it kicks out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubflier View Post
    With Garmin Pilot you always could import .cvs user waypoint files. The problem was you could not export user waypoint files from Garmin Pilot in anything but the .gplt format. If that has changed then that would be an improvement. Try exporting your user waypoints and see what type of file it kicks out.

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    I always found that pretty annoying too. I am on Android which lags a bit behind the iOS offering for Pilot. Even worse, my tablet is on the older version of that OS. In that older OS version of the application, it attempts to send an email with the CSV template attached, but the template is devoid of the actual way points.

    On the latest Android OS and Garmin Pilot version, it displays an "Export" option which seems promising until you try it. Clicking on export does absolutely nothing on my specific device. No error, no dialog, no nothing. I am able to send to a D2 watch but that is useless here.

    So, I can't tell what it might export or if it is anything more useful than previous revs.

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    Cubflier,

    I was the one who made that file up. Ted Waltman put it up on his site for easy access. The direct download link is here And if that doesn't work for some reason the whole website with that and several other files are here.
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    Thanks for that. I installed it and it looks great. For some odd reason when I get around Figure Eight Lake I go brain dead and forget the exact place I should be switching frequencies. I'm a bit paranoid in that area because I had a 207 overtake me from the rear an almost did a touch and go off my skylight. He said he never saw me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoxness View Post
    Cubflier,

    I was the one who made that file up. Ted Waltman put it up on his site for easy access. The direct download link is here And if that doesn't work for some reason the whole website with that and several other files are here.
    Even though he uses Foreflight, I suppose that Ted guy is all right after all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoxness View Post
    Cubflier,

    I was the one who made that file up. Ted Waltman put it up on his site for easy access. The direct download link is here And if that doesn't work for some reason the whole website with that and several other files are here.
    I appreciate the Knik reporting points file. Thanks for sharing your efforts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubflier View Post
    Any chance you can share that KMZ file?

    Nice to see that Garmin made some improvements. They were needed. I switched from Garmin Pilot to Foreflight so I can use .mbtile files. Once you use those you just can't go back. The other problem I had was with the .gplt format for exporting user waypoints. I found that a bit annoying. Foreflight uses .csv which is a universal open format.

    If you are OK with Garmin Pilot now then why switch. Learning another app was not fun for me at all and if there was not such a compelling reason to switch I would have stayed with Garmin.

    Jerry
    I liked the ForefFlight terrain view better than their charting but I couldn’t place user waypoints in Terrain.
    I switched to Garmin Pilot because their charting seemed more accurate and I could place user waypoints as needed.
    If I could place user waypoints in ForeFlight terrain I’d consider switching back even though the price makes me want to stay with GP.

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    Thank you guys for responding with the information.
    I was happy to renew Garmin Pilot. Now to catch up with the new .kmz file with the frequencies, and brush up on my GP user skills. Thanks Again!

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    Bumping this topic a bit.

    I am looking to getting my first tablet(i am definitely not the early adopter type)for probably Garmin Pilot and watching movies flying the smoker too and from work. I am an android guy. Not using GP for anything but vfr and am aware of possible lag in the operating system.

    Sooo, the question is, what would the preferred tablet to be purchased ?
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    Nexus 7 was my absolute favorite until all the apps ran too slow.

    Currently running two Lenovo Tab 4s, 8" with 16GB each. They were cheap enough and are still running Garmin Pilot strong, but if you can swing the $ get 32GB as it fills up with sectional/terrain data pretty quickly.

    As long as you find something running clean Android without all of the bloatware, Garmin Pilot will run great.

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    For Christmas I would like Foreflight to be available on Android. I resisted a long time, but as a fairly active flight instructor, it is the path of least resistance - and we really like the Content Pack ability of Foreflight which Garmin does not have a similar function yet. I also converted to the logbook. They made it really easy to import 20 years of excel spreadsheets.

    Navigationally, I think they are both great, FF may have more whistles and bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ View Post
    For Christmas I would like Foreflight to be available on Android. I resisted a long time, but as a fairly active flight instructor, it is the path of least resistance - and we really like the Content Pack ability of Foreflight which Garmin does not have a similar function yet. I also converted to the logbook. They made it really easy to import 20 years of excel spreadsheets.

    Navigationally, I think they are both great, FF may have more whistles and bells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    So much so you now carry an iPhone?
    Yes, an old hand me down from Billy. I don't communicate on it, but it does have cell service, so I end up with two phones (or one phone and an ipad) on a flight.

    Probably going to spring for the new iPad mini since my old iPad since my old iPad mini mysteriously started to get really slow right after the release of the new mini....

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    I am in the same boat. Everyone keeps showing me the neat things ForeFlight does. I am surrounded by Apple users.
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    Android users should perhaps consider Avare. It's free and also has free updates of all charts and plates. A donation is suggested. I run it on a Galaxy Tab A and on my Android phone so I have 2 set of current charts and approach plates in the airplane.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hl=en_US&gl=US

    I contributed defect reports and enhancement suggestions but have no financial interest.
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    I use FlyQ, not quite as many bells and whistles as foreflight, but less expensive, and if you are a CFI, great discounts on lifetime subscription.


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    Come on guys, (Steve & Steve) get over it, just go with FF on an iPad. Done. The Best. Period.
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    Both apps are great. Which one you prefer usually comes down to which you’re familiar with using. Like a Garmin GPS it takes time and practice to navigate the pages smoothly. If you prefer Foreflight? Don’t buy an Android. Users I know who’ve used GP on both operating platforms say it works better on iOs. To me that makes the tablet question simple. Get over your Apple attitude and get the best equipment for the job. With the newer Plus size iPhones I use my phone in the Cub and iPad in the Cessna. With auto updates I never think about expired charts or supplements. Both auto connect to my GDLs so they know position and display ADS-B in. I still prefer cell model iPads for internal GPS capability but with the GDLs I’ve never needed it. I do occasionally turn GP on when flying commercial and while it takes a minute to initialize it works in that environment so I can figure out where I am and how long it’ll take to get where I’m going. Not important but entertaining.
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    Last time I talked to Seattle Avionics, (FlyQ) they no longer were offering lifetime subscriptions.

    That said, I have one and use FlyQ for most of my stuff.

    On a ver positive note, they recently sent an email to users asking what could be better. I not only got a return email, but invited to call and discuss how to implement the suggestion to the best use of pilots.

    Bottom line after using both GP, (Canadian charts) and FlyQ, it is more about learning what you have and how to quickly navigate through it. FlyQ is super responsive when sent questions on how to do something. Once they get their Canadian charts added I probably won't be using GP again.
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    I really like the weather features and the flight planning on FF, my thing is I want it on my phone as well because I don't always have the iPad with me. Now I need to change phones and operating systems. Teaching an old dog a new trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frequent_flyer View Post
    Android users should perhaps consider Avare. It's free and also has free updates of all charts and plates. A donation is suggested. I run it on a Galaxy Tab A and on my Android phone so I have 2 set of current charts and approach plates in the airplane.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...hl=en_US&gl=US
    I contributed defect reports and enhancement suggestions but have no financial interest.
    I'm a sucker for "free" so went with Avare several years ago.
    Bought an 8" samsung (android) tablet specifically for in-airplane use.
    Avare's not the greatest, not as many bells & whistles as FF or GP,
    and you have to manually update your charts every month,
    but it works well for me.
    I'm not much of an IT guy, so a big part of being content with it
    is that I don't want to have to relearn a different system.
    FWIW I make a courtesy donation to Avare every year so it's not really free.
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    Often seems the Apple fan club seems to push their inflated prices and sub-par-over-heating hardware awfully hard on the Android Garmin Pilot users....but I don't often see it the other way around? <sarcasm>Wonder why that is.</sarcasm>

    I like both Avare and FlyQ as well fwiw. No Apple tax required for either of those either which is fab.u.lous. A glass panel MFD can now be had for $125 + a subscription to your favorite app - what a great time to be a pilot!

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    Thank you for the disparaging comments. It reinforces everything I’ve come to dislike about the website. Mike was right. Social media really does suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado-Cub View Post
    Often seems the Apple fan club seems to push their inflated prices and sub-par-over-heating hardware awfully hard on the Android Garmin Pilot users....but I don't often see it the other way around? <sarcasm>Wonder why that is.</sarcasm>

    I like both Avare and FlyQ as well fwiw. No Apple tax required for either of those either which is fab.u.lous. A glass panel MFD can now be had for $125 + a subscription to your favorite app - what a great time to be a pilot!
    Reading this on a Super Cub forum is ironic.
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    Deep breaths Stewart,

    Sometimes I see the name and just pass by the comment... We all have our moments.
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    What are opinions for the best 8" Android tablet for running Garmin Pilot?
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    Recently got a renewed subscription to FlyQ VFR+IFR for $39.95/year. Not being computer/smartphone savvy it is the best deal for me. Heck, all I really want is the sectionals anyways. I have also had AVARE on my Android phone for several years. On a recent flight from MN to Oregon, I actually preferred using my smartphone with the Avare over the mini iPad. I guess I just like simple and easy to use. Computer/techie stuff just frustrates me, basic is best since I'm a fair weather VFR guy anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Misch View Post
    What are opinions for the best 8" Android tablet for running Garmin Pilot?
    Gordon, I've got an 8" Samsung "Galaxy Tab A" that I bought about 5 years ago, it's still going strong.
    Paid about $200 for it back then, but I see that one (or similar from Samsung) for like $125 at Costco or Walmart these days.

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    Thank you for the disparaging comments. It reinforces everything I’ve come to dislike about the website. Mike was right. Social media really does suck.
    I didn't really see any "disparaging comments", at least none directed at you, just differing opinions.
    Don't take it so personal.
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    I have tried both but there are 2 big reasons foreflight still wins:

    1. Garmin pilot will not work with wifi based ads-b receivers like Stratux. If this is not true someone please let me know.

    2. Garmin pilot has much more limited chart supplement fufunctionality, namely bookmarks. In foreflight I can bookmark the chart supplement, and flying out of Merrill or Hood, that's kind of a big deal.
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    Thanks Eric, Best Buy has good deals and generous return terms right now, so I'll give that a try. I bought a Mini6 to replace my ailing Samsung S2. I like the GP features on it, but it's kinda hard to read in bright light. So I'll compare the two and keep one of them.
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    As a former GP user and now FF user I wouldn't mind any updates on new improvements to GP that keeps a person in their camp. Especially with regards to detailed terrain overlays on their map page. That's where FF dominates IMO.

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    I use ForeFlight when I fly for fun and at work. In the Husky I tried using my iPhone over the mini as it seems to have a brighter screen. However it will get warm and dim after a certain amount of time way before the mini ever would have a problem. I like the brightness and screen size better on my phone but the overheating problem with the phone is an issue that I’d love to resolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Narwhal View Post
    1. Garmin pilot will not work with wifi based ads-b receivers like Stratux. If this is not true someone please let me know.
    I run a GDL with pilot for adsb in

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    Quote Originally Posted by gahi View Post
    I run a GDL with pilot for adsb in
    Yeah, I think that's the issue, Garmin Pilot will only work with Garmin brand ADS-B in receivers like your GDL. GDL's use a bluetooth signal as far as I know, but I don't own one. Foreflight will work with just about any brand of ADS-B in receiver whether they use wi-fi or bluetooth to communicate with your portable electronic device.

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    Yes, the gdl is bluetooth. I do think FF is a better app, but I use an android phone.

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