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    Agreed. Iíve the same one, although itís the Guide model w/laminated stock and hoop lever for mitten/gloves.
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    You mean Ruglin?
    Glad this happened. Whatever oneís thoughts on Bill Rugerís commentary re: magazine sizes, theyíd likely agree that Ruger continues to make fine firearms for decent prices.

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    Perhaps some day you Remlin lever gun guys might graduate to a real lever gun in 500 S&W instead. How about a Big Horn Armory Model 89 with 7+1 of 50 cal. Medicine. Out of a rifle the 500 S&W is quite a performer. Big Horn Armory initially tried to marry the Marlin 1895 action to the 500 S&W and found the action couldn't take the pressure so they had to build one from scratch. Attachment 54858

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    That's a fact. Ruger has long been a pretty incredible maker of guns of the neatest designs at a reasonable price. After all who else would make a miniature garand action 223 or a falling block big bore rifle still these days? I'm sure glad they bought Marlin. Hopefully Marlin's name will mean a quality build again.

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    Well friends! Survivalgear does not contain only camping gear. What is you are going down land safe on a gravel or something else and need only a srew, a peace of wire or else. Had that kind of occasion not only once. And I was happy not only having a nice camp but also could repair and fly out my cub safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash, Jr. View Post
    It's true! Me and my brother talk all the time and to no end about "woods guns" or what to carry with us when flying ect...but that's all the fantasy of gun guys looking for a reason to buy another gun. It's the same as a "truck gun" "end of the world gun" or "zombie guns". Just another niche to buy a gun for and leave it in the safe.

    Most trips afield are done with either a Ruger Single Six for ptarmigan that might stray into the trail or a Super Blackhawk 44mag if it's the right season for bears to be wandering around. As far as survival, the Single Six 22lr lives in the plane with a couple hundred rounds because that's what's going to put food on the table.

    The reality of a survival situation is being able to feed yourself for a while on small game which the 22lr is great at. You can pack a ton of ammo and shoot grouse/ptarmigan/rabbits. If you not only crash but then are set upon by a gang of angry bears then I would think that luck is just not on your side and no amount of hot lead is going to bail you out.
    3 weeks to starve to death; 3 days to die from thirst and about 3 hours to freeze to death. I know what my priority is for survival equipment! (But I do keep a 2-piece Ruger 10-22 and couple hundred rounds of .22LR in back of plane for just the reasons youíve specified)
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    I have the Alaskan take down rifles in both 44 and 357. I bought the 44 for a single caliber thing. I had so much fun shooting pistol cartridges I bought the 357 for my dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyR View Post
    3 weeks to starve to death; 3 days to die from thirst and about 3 hours to freeze to death. I know what my priority is for survival equipment! (But I do keep a 2-piece Ruger 10-22 and couple hundred rounds of .22LR in back of plane for just the reasons you’ve specified)
    Yep, read “Hey I’m Alive” by Helen Klaben. No guns, no food, and they survived a couple months in the Yukon.....in winter.

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    Iím surprised no mention of Thompson Encore as a survival firearm.
    It can be configured in a variety of calibers, compact and versatile.
    Pistol grip configuration with an iron site 44 mag barrel. Can be quickly swapped out for a 14Ē EER scoped .243 barrel for long range work.

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    Nice gun but too limited of utility. If you need a 44 then you also need decently quick follow up shots as well and the single shot doesn't do that. If you need to harvest game then a .22 is the choice in a survival sense so a Contender or better yet a small revolver is better there.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the Contender (and the Encore too I guess) but a dedicated gun or two that really excel at what they do are better than a dedicated hunting handgun. A 44 revolver and a 22 revolver cover the bases while weighing about the same as an Encore with a spare barrel and scope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash, Jr. View Post
    7.62x39 is equivalent to 30-30
    True with .30 Carbine not far behind... I mention this because the "Carbine" is not seen by the general public as an "evil black gun." Grandpappy carried one during THE WAR.

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    don't know but I would assume 123gr steel core armor penetrating bullets make a convincing argument against large angry animals.
    Think about the mission. Steel core is a military round designed to penetrate Kevlar and the like. What you want when you are facing a big bear or such is to leave every bit of the kenetic energy in the target. Hornady makes nice bullets for x39. They offer complete cartridges for those who don't roll their own. Ain't cheap but what do you need? Maybe one box or two. Even .223 Gold Dots leave all their considerable energy behind, while X193 might (it will shred if traveling fast enough that forces overcome band tension) and M855 will just blow right through.

    If you want an unpopular choice, try 5.45x39. Ballisticaly at high velocity those hollow noses have a lot going for them.
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    Really depends on the mission like you say. For bears that have hard to penetrate spots I'll take the bimetal jacket/steel core rounds.

    .223 is very popular among natives for protection against animals. You see lots of Mini-14's and now the occasional AR15 being carried around. Mainly larger hunting rifles though. I like my Mini-14 well enough but I'll take the burlier 7.62x39 over it in Alaska.

    To make a counter point though, it isn't about leaving kinetic energy behind. The game is penetration. When you have an animal coming directly towards you, you're trying to penetrate it lengthwise end to end and do as much damage as possible on the way through. Something like a Hornady V-Max bullet that's an expanding bullet will shed it's jacket and fail to penetrate on bears or any tough game. 556/223/545 is not much better as the bullet begins to tumble. Those were all made for use on humans and deer size game where penetration doesn't exceed two feet. For a large black bear you're needing to put that bullet through 5 to 8 foot of animal so penetration is critical. That's why large bore revolvers are normally loaded with hard cast lead slugs. A proper high powered rifle like 300WM (and larger) you can get away with an expanding bullet but for the smaller rounds I lean towards something that will stay in one piece and penetrate an animal completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner2 View Post
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    I took this picture last week. This is a Ruger American compact .22 WMR. It isnít Bear protection but I wouldnít hesitate to head-shoot a deer or an elk with it at bow range. And a box of 50 rounds is light and compact as is the rifle.
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    In Montana we have what is called a deer B tag for does. I decided to use the .22 WMR for this deer and placed the front green bead on the deerís throat patch as he stared my way. It dropped like a thunder bolt when hit from 60 yards. This deer is actually a very small buck but legal with a B tag with sub 4Ē spikes. The bullet penetrated the neck and I found it against the hide directly opposite from the entrance hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philly5G View Post
    On the one hand, lucky that the sling hadnít been fitted, but if the bear was planning on carrying on running, like in the story above, seems very sad for the bear

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    I came up with this.
    Savage Rascal 22 s l lr now magnum too.
    pushed out chamber to 22 WRM and made adjustments to it.
    added Fast fire sight for ease of shooting for anyone and has peep sight on it also.
    stock is hollow to except all ammo and wrench to take sight off if needed.
    Length is about 30” and fits under my Cruiser rear seat.Sight in with magmun but can shoot shorts for real close camp food. Use magnum for deer etc.
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    Not much good for big bears etc but how about a single shot shotgun in 20 gauge?
    You can carry both slugs & birdshot, and be ready for deer & smaller game as well as grouse etc.
    Fits in a pretty small case when taken down.
    Or maybe a combination gun like an M6 or a Savage model 24.
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    Sooo
    I guess the question is survival of the elements or from bears?
    Bears I’d carry a 357 or bigger handgun. Proper bullet style ammo.
    Put food in stomach I’d go with this rifle. Savage Rascal 22 magnum.

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    A gun is just a tool. Get the correct tool for the job anticipated. If you choose a tool to do more than one job, such as the Savage 24, you'll pay a penalty in weight of the gun and ammo. Figure out what will work for you and how to carry it with it's ammo/accessories.

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    The Savage model 42 is a more modern version of the 24 and available in .22 WMR/.410 too. And about a pound lighter.

    Doug how is the accuracy with the rechambered Rascal?. The long rifle barrels have a smaller groove diameter and slower twist than a .22 WMR.
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    I am partial to short 12ga
    carry slugs and shot
    for bears and bunnys.

    I believe that for Bear protection, the second shot accuracy is very important, as is Knockdown power.
    The Brownies that I have shot at close range dont die as fast as I would like.

    and birdshot works good for almost everything edible, including salmon
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    I’m a fan of a couple of boxes of granola bars and a tin of Spam. To require a gun to eat is very highly unlikely. Plinking to pass time? That’s always fun. Maybe a 10-22 is in order.
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    I carry a bar of bakers chocolate to comply with local regs for emergency rations. High calories per ounce and most people would have to be real hungry to eat it.
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    I’ll say it again…..food is not really very important in a true survival situation. Many people have survived a considerable period without food, even in extreme and stressful situation.

    Do a search for Helen Klaben and Ralph Flores…..spent a couple months in the Yukon in winter….no food.

    Or, Roger Locher……shot down over North Viet Nam, spent 23 days roaming around avoiding bad guys. Shooting something for food? Not a great idea……

    And there are many others. Put your “Bush pilot survival” emphasis on acquiring water, and warmth. A gun can provide entertainment, of course.

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    You can survive on no food but it's not nearly as much fun as having a full belly. Besides, the Alaska state regs require you to carry 7 days of food with you in addition to a sleeping bag, shelter and other things. http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/...Section110.htm

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    Talking about bare essentials, my college roommate hiked over 10,000 miles on the AT, PCT and CDT with a base pack weight (without food/water) under 10 lbs. That weight included a cellphone, solar panel and spot tracker. I was surprised when he told me he never carried a pocket knife and never needed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner2 View Post
    The Savage model 42 is a more modern version of the 24 and available in .22 WMR/.410 too. And about a pound lighter.

    Doug how is the accuracy with the rechambered Rascal?. The long rifle barrels have a smaller groove diameter and slower twist than a .22 WMR.
    22short n long are 1-20
    22 LR n Magnum. 1-16
    Savage Rascal lists 1-16
    Seems to shoot the Mag very accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash, Jr. View Post
    You can survive on no food but it's not nearly as much fun as having a full belly. Besides, the Alaska state regs require you to carry 7 days of food with you in addition to a sleeping bag, shelter and other things. http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/...Section110.htm
    It says "(A) rations for each occupant sufficient to sustain life for one week;". As in, no food. If lack of food sustenance kills you in 7 days you were probably eating Spam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubflier View Post
    It says "(A) rations for each occupant sufficient to sustain life for one week;". As in, no food. If lack of food sustenance kills you in 7 days you were probably eating Spam.

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    WWII was won eating 100 million pounds of Spam

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    Yup. Against their will, lol.

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    Musubi. Mmm. Especially for breakfast. At the beach. With a really cold beer.
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    Sure miss Mr. Whitekeys

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    If it looks rough...it is!!
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    Just had spam for lunch in ramen soup. That which doesn't kill you.....but I carried frozen oranges plus food bars in winter. And a thermos of hot sweet tea in case I needed to p after while airborne.

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    Spam and ramen? What's wrong with you people?

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    If it looks rough...it is!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubflier View Post
    Spam and ramen? What's wrong with you people?

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    Its good in scrambled eggs too

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    C'mon Jerry! Add some pilot bread and you have a typical Alaska lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    Musubi. Mmm. Especially for breakfast. At the beach. With a really cold beer.
    Ah you are a man of good taste. Nothing beats gas station musubi before riding snowmachines.

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    Another pilot stay alive ration is dog food.....takes water to digest and absorb but it's a complete meal that weighs little. Yes I have.

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    Oh so thats what my 15 month toddler was doing yesterday morning. Practicing his survival techniques before breakfast. Not exactly the baby breath you would expect.

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    You better have a gallon of water to wash all the salt out...from eating spam and ramen. There is some pretty good tasting and healthy food options these days for survival purposes...why eat dog food?

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    For the record, ounce for ounce full sodium Spam has just over half the sodium of bacon. I always buy the reduced sodium version. Next time any of you are in Hawaii and want a fun field trip? Check out the Spam aisle at Foodland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    For the record, ounce for ounce full sodium Spam has just over half the sodium of bacon. I always buy the reduced sodium version. Next time any of you are in Hawaii and want a fun field trip? Check out the Spam aisle at Foodland.
    which of course is why you buy the uncured bacon...

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