tail pull handles

hotrod180

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Port Townsend, WA

• Aug 23, 2020

• #1

I was on a trip last week, and saw this mod on a couple different Supercubs used as trainers by a fairly well known t/w flight school.
Never seen this before, but I can see how they might be an improvement (in certain situations anywy)
over the the standard pull loops mounted down on the lower longerons.
Those were still in place BTW.
Both airplanes had them on both sides.

 

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mike mcs repair

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chugiak AK

• Aug 23, 2020

• #2

I usually put handles on upper longerons


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Bearhawk Builder

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In the woods

• Aug 23, 2020

• #3

Strakes get in the way of the ones on the lower longerons.

 

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Kid Durango

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Rangely, Co

• Aug 23, 2020

• #4

Dumb question here, but wouldn’t there be a fair amount of extra stress on the jackscrew? Maybe not, but might not want the stress through the stabilizer?? Remember - I said dumb question.....

 

supercrow

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Smith Pond near Millinocket, Me

• Aug 23, 2020

• #5

In deep snow, the lower the mounting the better. For me anyway.

 

Crash Jr.

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Anchorage, AK

• Aug 23, 2020

• #6

Kid Durango said:

Dumb question here, but wouldn’t there be a fair amount of extra stress on the jackscrew? Maybe not, but might not want the stress through the stabilizer?? Remember - I said dumb question.....

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Not only that but the rotational shear loading on the bolt that holds the stabs on in the front. Not a good solution at all.

Much better to not have goofy strakes on that block the lift handles. Or have a handle welded to the upper longeron like Mike said.

 

55-PA18A

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Dillingham, Alaska

• Aug 23, 2020

• #7

That handle attached to the front of the stabilizer looks pretty scary to me. I always try to avoid pushing or lifting the stabilizer when moving the tail of the plane. My mechanic liked to replace the lifting handle with a larger one, so you could use both hands or do it in the winter with heavy mitts. The ergonomics of lifting the tail with one hand and from one side are bad. Twenty years ago it wasn't a problem for me. Now, not so good. Facing the side of the plane, grabbing with both hands and lifting with my legs is better. I like the idea of a handle on the upper longeron, if I were 20 years younger or 4 inches taller.

I've always wondered why we didn't put on the retractable tube-type lifting handles like you see on Cessnas. Though there are damn few Cessnas I that could pick the tail up. But they do seem handy for pushing the plane back, without pushing on the horizontal stabilizer.

Jim

 

Steve Pierce

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Graham, TX

• Aug 23, 2020

• #8

I have seen them welded to the top longerons but from what I remember they can't be welded at a cluster like the bottom handles?

 

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stewartb

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• Aug 23, 2020

• #9

Cessna handles on a Cub? Some of us do. I 'd still like handles on the lower longeron but that ship has sailed.

 

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RVBottomly

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Asotin County Washington (KLWS)

• Aug 23, 2020

• #10

I'm also committed to a simple receptacle with a straight tube to fit inside, kind of like the Cessna handles. I don't like the hand twist involved with the standard handles.

I'm with Crash Jr. and Jim above on the handle on the stabilizer. That looks like something bad waiting to happen. Imagining people horsing that handle around and what it does to the cross-tube gives me the heebies.

 

JWE

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NC30

• Aug 23, 2020

• #11

Huskys have handles there. Last week an AD was announced about cracks back there. I've labeled my handles do not push, pull, or lift.

 

Richgj3

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LI,NY

• Aug 23, 2020

• #12

BAS tail pull handles are the best thing since sliced bread for Cessna. I put them on a 172 with the Bolen TW conversion years ago. The 170 I own now doesn’t have them yet. They will be added.

Rich

 

mike mcs repair

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chugiak AK

• Aug 23, 2020

• #13

Kid Durango said:

Dumb question here, but wouldn’t there be a fair amount of extra stress on the jackscrew? Maybe not, but might not want the stress through the stabilizer?? Remember - I said dumb question.....

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Not really. Put a camera pointing back at your tail in a rocky beach landing. Things are just flapping around back there....

Only encountered one bent jack screw,but that was on a wreck I patched up for ferry where fuselage was bent in half... and one elevator dug into the tundra.


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JohnnyR

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AK, ME - what time of year is it?

• Aug 23, 2022

• #14

Nice idea!
How was this installed?

stewartb said:

Cessna handles on a Cub? Some of us do. I 'd still like handles on the lower longeron but that ship has sailed.

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stewartb

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• Aug 23, 2022

• #15

Here’s the best pic I can find.

 

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JohnnyR

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AK, ME - what time of year is it?

• Aug 24, 2022

• #16

Stewart, now that you’ve had the tubular BAS handles in there a while, thoughts on whether it was worth it? I’m considering top and bottom handles both sides for our Legend build for ease of movement on skis and, well, frankly I’m not getting younger…

I like simplicity of normal handles but do enjoy the BAS handles on our Cessna.

 

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stewartb

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• Aug 24, 2022

• #17

Notice the upper longeron is up top. The center tube isn’t structural and can’t support a handle. I can’t say these work any better or worse than D handles. They’re a solution. It’s nice that they slide in flush but D handles never bothered me. I do appreciate the location. I’m a fan of old man handles. I never used lower longeron handles when I had them.

 

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skywagon8a

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SE Mass MA6

• Aug 24, 2022

• #18

JohnnyR said:

.... I’m considering top and bottom handles both sides for our Legend build for ease of movement on skis and, well, frankly I’m not getting younger…

I like simplicity of normal handles but do enjoy the BAS handles on our Cessna.

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Ask yourself "Will the BAS handles also perform extra duty as alternate tie down attach locations?". I once carried a spreader bar for a set of EDO 6470s tied to the outside of a Cub. Without that lift handle at the tail, I don't know how I could have secured the cargo.

 

frequent_flyer

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Arizona, USA

• Aug 24, 2022

• #19

The time I wished the lower longeron handle on my FX-3 was higher up I simply threaded a strop through it and over my shoulder.

 

Farmboy

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Middlebury, VT

• Aug 24, 2022

• #20

Installed mine just because my back hurts when I bend over.



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JohnnyR

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AK, ME - what time of year is it?

• Aug 24, 2022

• #21

I’m installing two hoop handles on each side - one lower and one upper.
The weight and complexity are minimal compared to the BAS and we’re welding on a bare, unpainted frame now so easy to do. Am sure I will appreciate it when the tail and my legs are buried in snow.
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