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    Help! How Do I Get this 35" BW Off the Wheel?

    Have a Cub on 35s that has a small place showing cords and want to flip the tire around so it can make a trip to it's new home where it will go on 31s. I used two pry bars, silicone spray, two of us jumping up and down on it. Don't want to tear up the tire or the wheel. Wish i had a tire machine for once in my life.
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    Wait until you have to change a Beaver bushwheel. Have you tried putting 1 psi in the tire?
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    You can't get there from here. You have to go over yonder and start from there.
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    Here's a goofy one...lay a bag of ice on the rim. Might make it move vs rubber? Too much coffee.

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    With the tire deflated, lock the brake with the wheel and tire mounted, and try to spin the tire on the wheel by hand. Worked on 31s to break the bead...Might work on 35s.
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    1st, let the air out.......

    Try shop vac hose pressed tight over valve stem hole?

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    Maybe since it’s a carbon cub they can afford to just buy a new wheel and tire setup? I’ll dispose of the old
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    Add some kroil to the bead of the tire and work it in.

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    Take it to a tire shop!
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    On a bushwheel the center gets bigger when you add a bit of air, making a vacuum makes it smaller. It don't seem right but that is how it works.
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    Interesting. If the tire moves with a +- air change then do that a few times? I like the Oky tire changer in #3.

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    Try a tire bead breaker ( slide hammer type) with a small quantity of gas as lube. The gas soften's the rubber and helps it release. Anyone that changes truck tires or equipment tires should have one . I'm not a fan of the mall , they damage your rims. Hope this helps . Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Take it to a tire shop!

    just make sure you dont tell anyone what the tires worth before they start.
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    Steve,
    I'm sure you have it off by now but if not, try shooting air from an air nozzle between the rim and the tire.

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    I use a piece of 4x4 and the largest rubber mallet i can find to knock out the second wheel half. If both halves are still in the tire, use a wooden dowl through the bearing hole against the opposite wheel half, and a mallet of course.
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    Redneck method - - lay it down flat and drive the front wheel of your pickup over the tire, tangent to the rim. Old timer taught me that about 5+ decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Misch View Post
    Redneck method - - lay it down flat and drive the front wheel of your pickup over the tire, tangent to the rim. Old timer taught me that about 5+ decades ago.
    And I thought my my method was shadetree.
    "Always looking up"

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    Quote Originally Posted by skukum12 View Post
    And I thought my my method was shadetree.
    Haha! Yep, but I've done it - it works. Might have to lay a board over the tire as a ramp. Hey, if Steve P. is stumped, it's a truly tough situation!
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    If I am correct that tire has an integral tube? I expect said tube has bonded itself to the rim.

    Do you have a source of vacuum that you can attach to the stem, I would see if that might aid in getting the tube to release from the rim halves.

    Otherwise, how much air pressure can these tires withstand unmounted? A full pound or maybe two?

    With the rim unbolted this might or might not roll the rim halves out. At least get one side to unbond from the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Have a Cub on 35s that has a small place showing cords and want to flip the tire around so it can make a trip to it's new home where it will go on 31s. I used two pry bars, silicone spray, two of us jumping up and down on it. Don't want to tear up the tire or the wheel. Wish i had a tire machine for once in my life.
    Only a small place showing cords? Fly it to it's new home where the new owner can cut off the tire since it is to be replaced anyway.
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    Or paint the area with the rubber coating others are using as a simplified retread.
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    You can fly airliners with cord showing!

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    Only a small place showing cords? Fly it to it's new home where the new owner can cut off the tire since it is to be replaced anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieN View Post
    Or paint the area with the rubber coating others are using as a simplified retread.
    Herculiner bed liner works great. 2 or more thin coats rather then one heavy coat works best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    Herculiner bed liner works great. 2 or more thin coats rather then one heavy coat works best.
    That's what it's called, Should have had a coffee or two before posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    You can fly airliners with cord showing!
    Several layers.
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    This worked for smaller tires: 5/8” plywood 16” by 24” with the center cut out just bigger than the size of the hub. May need bigger piece for the bigger tire, and a heavy guy or two.

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    Up to 4 at AA. How many cord layers are there on a Bushwheel?

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    Several layers.
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    Bought one of these recently....Wonder if this would work?

    https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal...clickkey=52413


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    The 35’s really get stuck huh.

    I got a bead breaker from harbor freight. It goes inside the wheel hole where the axle goes. I think it’s for a lawnmower or small tractor. I can’t find it on there site though.


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    Any tire shop should have a gallon can of Skid. ( Bead release fluid ) Pour it around the where the tire meets the rim and wait a minute or so. Should almost fall off.
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    Correct me if I am wrong but it is the built in tube that is stuck, not the tire bead.
    On a tire this size it would simply be easy enough to use a commercial tire mache's bead breaker. My older Hunter tire equipment can reach to the small rim sizes and in the act of pressing the bead it will make the tube portion roll inwards. On the release of pressure the tire will go right back but it may not be "bonded" not to mention one can spray WD40 or a juice of your choice so the tube may no longer stick.
    Brand new style tire machines may not be flexible enough to work with these "oddball" tire rim combinations.
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    If all else fails there’s always the black Sharpie pen method.
    Remember, These are the Good old Days!
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    I sent it on it's way yesterday, like Pete said, they can deal with it when they install the 6" wheels and 31s. If I damage the tire there is a chain of events that will result that would not be good. It had one small spot that just started to show. I did figure out it is really the rubber that makes up the area where you would install a tube on a conventional tire. I am going to try the bead release fluid acehercs suggested next time. Heard of some interesting ways of doing it using 4x4s to block up the tire and a shaft and skid steer bucket to push the wheel half out. Now I have an idea on a piece of all thread with some arms to do the opposite of what we do to get those wheel halves together when installing new Bushwheels.
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    Oh yea, I had to edit the title, I guess I held the shift key down when I typed the 35 and it made it look like I was using an expletive.
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    With my 29" Airstreaks, and my wheel skis, I deal with this every spring and fall. Before I discovered the "round rod thru the bearing hole, and tap the rim half and it will fall right out" method, I used to haul my wheels to my crane yard. With some blocks on the tires on either side of the wheel, I would put it under a outrigger and slowly lower it, and it'd pop right out, kind of like they do it at a tire shop, but I didn't have to buy another piece of equipment.

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    [QUOTE=RaisedByWolves;779381]The 35’s really get stuck huh.

    I got a bead breaker from harbor freight. It goes inside the wheel hole where the axle goes. I think it’s for a lawnmower or small tractor. I can’t find it on there site though.

    Me, I just take them over to Tom. I like hearing his screams coming over the top of the Green's.

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    piece of 6 inch long pipe or a rolled piece of 1/4 inch thick steel with seam welded with a 7 3/4 inch id. then lay the tire down below something solid. then lay a piece of 2x4 across the pipe thats centered over the wheel 1/2 and then use a handy man jack to push down from the solid support above. just an idea. only cost is a 6 inch long piece of tube.

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