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    Acme black ops

    I’ve been reading up some on the black ops from acme aero, and was wondering if I could get any pros and cons for my 135hp Supercub. Have stock bungees and tires on it and landing at our grass strip mostly.


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    Yup, be glad you didn’t ask on Facebook. Chevy vs Ford never had it so tough.


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    I have the Acme Black Ops, I have zero regrets and would never go back. My plane is heavy on 31’ tires. It’s a great shock.


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    Your question is like asking which motor oil is best on the diesel truck forums.

    I have them on my plane and think they are a great improvement over bungees mostly due to the dampening on rebound (that should explain my landing abilities ).

    Weight wise, I weighed both set ups and the Black Ops were only a pound heavier per side.
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    Is you cub experimental or certified??
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    They work great. And fit under bungee covers nicely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    They work great. And fit under bungee covers nicely.


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    An important consideration, probably good for 3-6 mph. The RANS S-7 community seems to be about equally split between the Black Ops and the TK's. I don't have any experience with either, but the Black Ops, especially if faired, appear to be a lot less drag in flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    They work great. And fit under bungee covers nicely.


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    Are yours gen 3s? Wonder how much difference there is with the gen 4s?
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    I had AOSS. Switched to Black Ops Gen 3. Huge improvement. Love them. Great customer service too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    Is you cub experimental or certified??
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    Certified


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    I have TK1's but have not flown them yet since my project isn't complete. I guess it's a horse a piece except I think TK1's are $500 cheaper. Not positive on that.....I understand that either version is a great improvement though.

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    I'm pretty sure Acme AeroFab & TK1's are both experimental only.
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    If you want to stay legal than AOSS is what you get. I think they are next too Bushwheels and Borer prop mods when it comes to rough short field work. It is much easier to make the tires stick so you can bet good breaking. For most general off field work stock bungees do fine but If they need to be replaced or you just want a change you will notice a difference on the very first landing. Even on smoother strips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
    Are yours gen 3s? Wonder how much difference there is with the gen 4s?
    Do they call them the pro series? As far as I know the pro just has more travel. Nice thing with acme is if the nitrogen leaks out you still have a spring in there. You don’t go totally flat.


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    Talked to Eric at Acme he said they are in the process of certifying them and should be good by the end of July.


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    Gen 3 first from what I understand then gen 4 to follow in the stc process.

    Tom, I think you’re right. Gen 4 will have more travel but will have a lower gross weight limitation compared to the gen 3s. The gross weight limitations on both are still more than what most of us would ever carry.

    That all being said, Catto is also working on an STC

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    Ya the grove wheels with 31" Desser tires was going to happen n July also. The have been in my hanger now waiting for 2 1/2 years. The crap that manufactures have to put up with to replace parts that came off car/truck/tractor is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyLee89 View Post
    Talked to Eric at Acme he said they are in the process of certifying them and should be good by the end of July.
    What year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    What year?
    Probably the same year Catto gets certified


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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    What year?
    Suppose to be this year


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    Just realized Acme is right down the road from me. Will have to check out their operation when this craziness is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Probably the same year Catto gets certified
    Haha. Sooooo not this year, but every year!?

    Makes sense
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    Talked to Matt who’s the owner. He said if the faa schedule is correct they should have the stc for the black ops 3 shocks, and tail stinger July 16. He also said tac aero will be a pma house with a program where you can send your pre stc’d shocks and they inspect/ update and leave with an stc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Talked to Matt who’s the owner. He said if the faa schedule is correct they should have the stc for the black ops 3 shocks, and tail stinger July 16. He also said tac aero will be a pma house with a program where you can send your pre stc’d shocks and they inspect/ update and leave with an stc.


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    Is the STC just for the PA-18 or will it cover a PA-11 as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 39-J3 View Post
    Is the STC just for the PA-18 or will it cover a PA-11 as well?

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    I’ll find out and let you know


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    Acme shocks are awesome! I've tried early TK1s and now 2019 model Acmes on the Cub I fly. I had Bungees on for a few hours between the switch and had to learn how to land all over again seriously.

    If you have Vetterman exhaust or similar that exits down the belly the Acmes are WAY easier to keep clean.

    The ones Eric sent me are adjustable. I believe he said they could accommodate 3 inch OR 6 inch gear. I haven't touched them because he had them tuned perfectly right out of the box.

    The TK1s seemed more sensitive to pressure and temperature. In cold temps they would get soft and really splay after an hour at altitude getting cold soaked. I never mentioned that to Tony, maybe he has a fix. My solution was to run them harder in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 39-J3 View Post
    Is the STC just for the PA-18 or will it cover a PA-11 as well?

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    They said j3, pa-11 and 18-95 and all other pa-18's
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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    Ya the grove wheels with 31" Desser tires was going to happen n July also. The have been in my hanger now waiting for 2 1/2 years. The crap that manufactures have to put up with to replace parts that came off car/truck/tractor is crazy.
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    It’s admirable that you’d follow the rule to the letter. I’d have those rims and tires on, about 2 and 1/4 years ago plus a Catto. If your not commercial, especially if you’re at your own strip, who would know and why would it matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    They said j3, pa-11 and 18-95 and all other pa-18's
    Sweet!!! Thanks Tom.

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    The partners are working pilots, they don't need any extra attention. Plane is usually tied down at lake hood so everyone see's it. DENNY

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    What do these things cost?

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    You will have to call Stoddards and ask. If I remember right I got the whole thing tire/wheel/break for around 3,600 but that was special STC due soon deal. I know the price has gone up as always. That is the tires and rims I am talking about.
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    Around $3000 for the black ops 3

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    Like ABW tire's pricing though, when ever anyone asks me "how much", and assuming they are a non pilot, I just tell them the price for ONE, and let them infer that's for both. That will still make them think you are crazy, to spend $1500.00 for a pair of shock absorbers....little do they know!

    The price seems fair, for what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    Ya the grove wheels with 31" Desser tires was going to happen n July also. The have been in my hanger now waiting for 2 1/2 years. The crap that manufactures have to put up with to replace parts that came off car/truck/tractor is crazy.
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    DENNY, Be careful with what you are waiting for. Sometimes and often when an STC is issued, it is NOT retroactive to previously purchased parts. You will need confirmation from the STC holder.
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    Very good point. I have seen guys bit by that one in the past. I talked to the Seaplanes North guys, (they hold the STC) they did not have a problem using the parts I have. Desser is/was also working on on and said I would get a deal because they are the ones that pushed it so hard at the trade show. Seaplanes North did all the testing using a 31 in tire yet was only given the approval for 26 and 29 in so far. I have already had offers to buy them from experimental guys if I need to unload them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeremyLee89 View Post
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    I am wanting to make the change to AOSS for Santa's cub with extended heavy duty gear. Santa's cub will have the 2000 lb stc when it is finished.

    Santa's AI called Burl's to find out what he would charge for the change in the STC if I could find a used set...$1500 for that STC.

    I am reconsidering, considering this to be a bit excessive (plus my bungees are working just fine). What experience do you have for options other than Burl's?

    He wants $3850 for a new set of AOSS shocks, and I am wanting to consider other options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Talked to Matt who’s the owner. He said if the faa schedule is correct they should have the stc for the black ops 3 shocks, and tail stinger July 16. He also said tac aero will be a pma house with a program where you can send your pre stc’d shocks and they inspect/ update and leave with an stc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    Talked to Matt who’s the owner. He said if the faa schedule is correct they should have the stc for the black ops 3 shocks, and tail stinger July 16. He also said tac aero will be a pma house with a program where you can send your pre stc’d shocks and they inspect/ update and leave with an stc.


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