ADSB-Getting ready to bite someone in the butt
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Yes, this is my understanding
Yours shows up with your N number but there are planes that show as "blocked" some showing with no information, as in just blank spaces and some stating the make or type but nothing else.
Why? Anch doesn't have the 30 mile thing. Lake Hood still has the same airspace designation that allows no transponders. What will change? Crossing the parallels from the south or going out on a Little Su would require AdS-B by definition but I wonder if tower will grant permission without? Time will tell. But I don't base there anymore so no matter to me. I'd like to use my ADS-B in busy Wasilla area airspace but mostly won't because of the internet tracking exposure.
Eddie Foy
MEMBER
South Florida
I can change the Flight ID on my GTX335. ATC still sees my info.
Farmboy
MEMBER
Middlebury, VT
As Eddie stated you can set the “name” that is sent out for others to see. Depending on who setup the unit it could be correct, wrong, or simply Steve Eaton’s.
Blocked ones are on the FAA anonymous list, so public sites are not seeing the aircraft data, simply a target. ATC still sees all data.
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cubdrvr
SPONSOR
YKN(mother city of the dakotas)
I see a much larger issue here. The day will come that ADS-B will be required in all US airspace ( keep your J-3's, etc.)
ADS-B is not a safety issue. It is a control issue. This puts in place the application of automated enforcement actions and
automated user fees. Just sayin'.......
ADS-B is not a safety issue. It is a control issue. This puts in place the application of automated enforcement actions and
automated user fees. Just sayin'.......
I know several AK guys who participated in the Capstone Project who would disagree with you, but the FAA has always stated that ADS-B is a tool to improve air traffic control, traffic separation, and subsequently air safety. In an environment where other planes are transmitting it the safety factor is hard to deny. The problem is that too many airplanes aren't using it so the potential is compromised. Great technology. Piss poor execution.
cubdrvr
SPONSOR
YKN(mother city of the dakotas)
Safety.....sure, especially in high density areas.....but the FAA can accomplish this without tracking aircraft ownership, eh?
The solution to the compromised potential is to require ADS-B in ALL airspace which leads to my previous comments about enforcement and user fees.
This encroaches on individual privacy when it is not necessary to accomplish any ATC safety. This may have started out by the FAA saying it was for traffic safely but somewhere along the line it evolved to more than is required for those goals.
The solution to the compromised potential is to require ADS-B in ALL airspace which leads to my previous comments about enforcement and user fees.
This encroaches on individual privacy when it is not necessary to accomplish any ATC safety. This may have started out by the FAA saying it was for traffic safely but somewhere along the line it evolved to more than is required for those goals.
hotrod180
FRIEND
Port Townsend, WA
I disagree. Read FAR 91.225(d).
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.225[/FONT]
(d) After January 1, 2020, and unless otherwise authorized by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft in the following airspace unless the aircraft has equipment installed that meets the requirements in paragraph (b) of this section:(1) Class B and Class C airspace areas;(2) Except as provided for in paragraph (e) of this section, within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 to this part from the surface upward to 10,000 feet MSL;(3) Above the ceiling and within the lateral boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace area designated for an airport upward to 10,000 feet MSL;(4) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, Class E airspace within the 48 contiguous states and the District of Columbia at and above 10,000 feet MSL, excluding the airspace at and below 2,500 feet above the surface; and(5) Class E airspace at and above 3,000 feet MSL over the Gulf of Mexico from the coastline of the United States out to 12 nautical miles.
cubdrvr
SPONSOR
YKN(mother city of the dakotas)
I'm 100% for the technology SB......but I consider this an extreme overreach. Clip a Class C airspace or fly less than 500 feet over a farmstead? Bingo, a fine or suspension arrives in the mail. I want to fly from one farm in SD to another farm in ND? Let's see Dave, you flew 200 miles in OUR airspace so we're sending you
a user fee bill for 25 bucks. It is government, it is what I would expect.....doesn't mean I have to like it. Google "How to catch a wild pig"
a user fee bill for 25 bucks. It is government, it is what I would expect.....doesn't mean I have to like it. Google "How to catch a wild pig"
It is not just the Government we need to be concerned about. I will use no names or numbers here, but a lady flew from Long Island NY back home to Mass, her route took her near Bridgeport Ct. which she flew near to but not over. She did speak to the tower there as she flew past, nothing more.
Less than two weeks later she received a bill for landing or departure there. It was easy to beat but it happened.
Less than two weeks later she received a bill for landing or departure there. It was easy to beat but it happened.
Scouter
SPONSOR
Exeter Maine
Charlie I wonder why it only showed 250 feet. I put a new Whirlwind
prop on it last week it was trying it out for a max climb when I left to go get fuel at Venice. I was close to 1000 feet about 25 seconds , I didn’t reset the altimeter setting when I left but did when I got the Venice Atis. So if I got prosecuted for low level cruise, this info is bogus. My fault for not putting proper altimeter setting in? Hmmmm
jim
The ADSB altitude would be from GPS. Not all of each flight is shown especially when you cross to the east coast. Might be that it takes a bit to acquire you on climb out.
Same when you flew down to Fla, there were gaps in the displayed route.
I will take a look at the tracks later and see if anything stands out.
Same when you flew down to Fla, there were gaps in the displayed route.
I will take a look at the tracks later and see if anything stands out.
cub yellow
FRIEND
North Central Wa.
I don't completely buy into ADSB being a big safety improvement and don't understand the need. Aren't there less general aviation aircraft in the skies then 20 or 30 years ago? I thought general aviation was in a decline. Also I can picture ADSB equipped pilots sitting there watching the screen and not looking outside! Not visually scanning for traffic!
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CamTom12
Registered User
Huntsville, AL
I thought ADS-B altitude was required to come from the same source as your xpndr altitude encoder? And that isn't affected by altimeter setting.
wireweinie
FOUNDER
Palmer, AK
Correct. An encoder is required, whether stand alone or built in. The WAAS enabled GPS provides a precision location signal.
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WhiskeyMike
MEMBER
West Boxford MA
How long would most Americans put up with having their identity, and registered owner of their car, being published for anyone to see who they are and where they are? The Mommy Brigade would go bezerk for starters, and rightly so... All sorts of personal tracking, confusion, casting aspersions, mistaken tracks, divorce suits (right or wrong) and no birthday surprises. What a mess.
For my money it should be a great tool, but badly misused, poorly regulated, and now nobody's looking out the window, even though its may not be working, and traffic may not be equipped..
Bah, humbug! One more nail in the coffin.
For my money it should be a great tool, but badly misused, poorly regulated, and now nobody's looking out the window, even though its may not be working, and traffic may not be equipped..
Bah, humbug! One more nail in the coffin.
When the came up with a Mode S, I could see user fees coming. For something like data transmission, the size of the data block in part determines the amount of data transfer in the system. For a Mode S, the data block contains you aircraft Id not once, but twice! The only possible reason would be so they can send a bill! Now with ADSB, not only the mode S guys get to broadcast their ID, but now everyone.
As far as improving traffic, what value is the aircraft ID. All you need is current location and altitude (3D location) and your vector. That is all that is needed for traffic, no need to know who, just that someone is “there” and heading toward me.
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As far as improving traffic, what value is the aircraft ID. All you need is current location and altitude (3D location) and your vector. That is all that is needed for traffic, no need to know who, just that someone is “there” and heading toward me.
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