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    PA-12 Cabane Vee Questions..

    Repairing the 12 after the ground loop... My 12 has the 18 gear STC SA669AL (Crosswinds). Ordered a cabane from FA Dodge and when to check fit and it was too short. Turns out the distance between the cabane attach points is 27 11/16 inches vs. the 25 7/8 as called for in the STC and how FA Dodge builds their cabanes...

    Any thoughts? Cliff from FA Dodge has been very helpful. They are going to build me a custom one to fit. Was my fuselage widened? He mentioned that some 12's were not built in Lock Haven and had slight differences..

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    Depends on who manufactured the weld on fittings and how they got welded on. Usually you use the cabine v as a jig to make sure everything is straight when welding. Atlee sells the tabs and everything fit perfect on mine. I wonder if your original cabine is for a PA-14 with 3” extended gear? That might explain the width problem. Ask Cliff to measure one for a -14 with extended gear.
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    Not uncommon. At least not in my life. Dakota Airframes' PMA fuselages didn't fit Atlee's cabanes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJC View Post
    Depends on who manufactured the weld on fittings and how they got welded on. Usually you use the cabine v as a jig to make sure everything is straight when welding. Atlee sells the tabs and everything fit perfect on mine. I wonder if your original cabine is for a PA-14 with 3” extended gear? That might explain the width problem. Ask Cliff to measure one for a -14 with extended gear.
    FYI.....-12 and -14 are same width down there.

    Cliff is a wealth of knowledge however you slice it, tho. ........and happens to own a -12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    FYI.....-12 and -14 are same width down there.

    Cliff is a wealth of knowledge however you slice it, tho. ........and happens to own a -12
    Yes, he has been very helpful. Our tail numbers are fairly close as well...

    On another note... if you run 3 in extended gear do you need a modified cabane?
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    Cabanes the same. Lower leg length are different for 3" gear. If you go with an AOSS, you should measure everything up and Burl will make sure it all works right with the cabane you have.
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    Not much interchangeable on pa-12 each one is unique


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    Have you talked to Charlie at Crosswind STOL? Wondered if he might know why the difference.
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    I am in the middle of changing my PA-12 to a PA-18 gear and have run into the same problem I had bought the cabane from Atlee and its to short to install I am going to call Atlee Dodge on Monday and see about solving this problem. My -12 serial number is 12-1866
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    Quote Originally Posted by evroosevelt View Post
    I am in the middle of changing my PA-12 to a PA-18 gear and have run into the same problem I had bought the cabane from Atlee and its to short to install I am going to call Atlee Dodge on Monday and see about solving this problem. My -12 serial number is 12-1866
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    Atlee has been super helpful so far. My custom vee is currently under construction.

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    My son and I just just finished a 12 with the last Dakota airframe he built and took 6 in gear and cabane of old frame that had cub gear stc and fit right on new frame . I will measure width

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Have you talked to Charlie at Crosswind STOL? Wondered if he might know why the difference.
    Yes, I did speak with him. He said that the standard width is 25 7/8 per the SA669AL drawing. I pulled out the drawing (pictured above) and yes, the drawing states 25 7/8 but the tape measure doesn't lie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daedgerton View Post
    Yes, I did speak with him. He said that the standard width is 25 7/8 per the SA669AL drawing. I pulled out the drawing (pictured above) and yes, the drawing states 25 7/8 but the tape measure doesn't lie!
    Could it be as simple as you ordering a cabane V for a PA-18 instead of for a PA-12 with an -18 gear? The V would be wider for a -12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daedgerton View Post
    Yes, I did speak with him. He said that the standard width is 25 7/8 per the SA669AL drawing. I pulled out the drawing (pictured above) and yes, the drawing states 25 7/8 but the tape measure doesn't lie!
    Atlee grumbled about my -12 cabane not complying with the STC since that STC was used for my PMA’d replacement airframe. But Atlee grumbled about a lot of things.

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    An Atlee -12 cabane is marked PA-12. pretty easy to identify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    But Atlee grumbled about a lot of things.
    Lol. And the Pope is mildly catholic!

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    A friend mentioned that a PA-18 cabane for a 4 inch wider fuselage might fit. I'm just going to go with the one Atlee is making me at 27 11/16. will post pics once I get it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    Could it be as simple as you ordering a cabane V for a PA-18 instead of for a PA-12 with an -18 gear? The V would be wider for a -12.

    Nope. it was marked for a 12 and measured 25 7/8 between the bolts...

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