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    Boeing Buys Foreflight

    https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/new...756a:&st=email

    If it is anything like when Boeing bought Avial I feel for Foreflight users.
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    Damn....the foreflight owners must be dancing right now.
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    It may not be long now till you can setup your tablet at home, go to your plane, plug your tablet in and fly cross country with an autopilot hands free. Just be ready for that un-commanded pitch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    https://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/new...756a:&st=email

    If it is anything like when Boeing bought Avial I feel for Foreflight users.

    How were users affected?

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    "According to Boeing, adding ForeFlight to its portfolio “aligns with Boeing’s growth strategy of complementing organic investments with targeted, strategic investments" Does this mean we can now buy Foreflight at Whole Foods Markets? Maybe we'll see Foreflight listed in my wife seed catalogues? Al Hague must've been hired in their PR department. I'd rather talk to Okies.. they make more sense.

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    When they bought Jeppesen my subscription doubled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgskillskill View Post
    How were users affected?
    I got parts from Avial in Dallas. If I called before 4 pm i had my parts the next day with regular freight charges. Their prices were in line with other vendors. Boeing bought them and shortly after it takes 2-3 says just for them to ship your order and their prices are quite a bit higher than other vendors.
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    Well, the good news is that there’s another 500 pound gorilla in that room: Garmin Pilot. I’m a firm user of ForeFlight, but if it gets ugly, I’ll happily go to the competition.

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    At least Garmin Pilot is usable on Android systems.
    There is also WingX Pro7 from Hilton software which we use in the CAP.
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    I'm an Android user and like iFly so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I'm an Android user and like iFly so far.
    I was not aware of that package, I like the looks of it,
    www1.iflygps.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieN View Post
    I was not aware of that package, I like the looks of it,
    www1.iflygps.com
    Works well on my phone and tablet. They are based in Dallas. I stopped and talked to them at Oshkosh last year and talked with one of the employees that is a star gazer and comes out here to catch the stars away from the big city lights.
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    iFly works on Android, ios, Windows, and their own hardware. They go to a lot of trouble to make sure it works the same across all platforms.
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    With synthetic vision, the hills around here can catch you out easily. I have it downloading now.

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    I use WingX v9 ....I get it free by sending in my CFI credentials....I like it. It works well with my Stratux. I hope Foreflight remains GA friendly....I started out with Foreflight and loved it.
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    Someone mentioned a theory that within 5 years you may start to see Foreflight integrated into panel instruments. Purely speculative, but perhaps an alternative to Garmin, or along the same lines? I was thinking we'd see more from Dynon by now with the ex-cubcrafters president heading it up, but perhaps they are working a little more long term. That said, you'd think that Dynon might have been a company for Boeing to look at, unless it was too much hardware based and not enough software.

    I will say, for an 11 year old company, growing from 1 to 180 employees, they did a good job in the creation mode. As mentioned, I'm sure the owners are dancing.
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    The Air Force is going the EFB route with miniPads and Foreflight. The heavy drivers have had it for a while, now they're being issued to students in pilot training. They'll be flying with Stratus receivers, as well.

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    For androids, the free Avare app is another choice.
    I use it and like it, seems to meet all my needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    For androids, the free Avare app is another choice.
    I have used Avare for many years, it lacks allot compared to most all other apps.
    Maybe they have updated it allot since I went to other systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    Someone mentioned a theory that within 5 years you may start to see Foreflight integrated into panel instruments. Purely speculative, but perhaps an alternative to Garmin, or along the same lines? I was thinking we'd see more from Dynon by now with the ex-cubcrafters president heading it up, but perhaps they are working a little more long term. That said, you'd think that Dynon might have been a company for Boeing to look at, unless it was too much hardware based and not enough software.

    I will say, for an 11 year old company, growing from 1 to 180 employees, they did a good job in the creation mode. As mentioned, I'm sure the owners are dancing.
    Dynon is only "razors" not "razor blades". As Gillette, HP Inkjet printers, etc now found. You can give them the razor, the money is in the blades, ink cartridges etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txpacer View Post
    The Air Force is going the EFB route with miniPads and Foreflight. The heavy drivers have had it for a while, now they're being issued to students in pilot training. They'll be flying with Stratus receivers, as well.
    Good thing your out, that would really go against your grain.
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    They'll be giving them to us sim instructors, too. But, we'll be getting maxiPads because we're all old and can't see so well.
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    Sounds like they are trying to force you and Chris to spend more time together.
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    The math is ongoing

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    Quote Originally Posted by txpacer View Post
    They'll be giving them to us sim instructors, too. But, we'll be getting maxiPads because we're all old and can't see so well.
    I am a Droid user, employer chose the ipad jepp efb so have to use ipad when working. It does a nice job displaying the charts, but its a full size maxiPad not the mini, that would be hell trying to read them on a mini

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvivion View Post
    Well, the good news is that there’s another 500 pound gorilla in that room: Garmin Pilot. I’m a firm user of ForeFlight, but if it gets ugly, I’ll happily go to the competition.

    MTV
    I started instrument training a couple months ago. I just could not bring myself to by an iPad. I had a decent Samsung Android tablet and downloaded Garmin Pilot (30 day demo), Avare, iFly, Droid EFB, and maybe looked at others.

    They all looked like they would do the basic job, but I ended up buying the Garmin Pilot subscription. I liked the integration on the Pilot, and the charts and plates load fast once downloaded.

    My instructor has been a diehard Foreflight guy for years, but he said that Pilot had everything he normally uses on his iPad, so that was a bit validating.

    No expert, of course. But I'm really pleased with it so far.
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    Fantastic, they “sold out” you know what that means, it’s going to be like Direct TV customer service and rediculous price packages. Yay...

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    Timmy and I have been using Naviator for the last couple years on a $80 refurbed Samsung 7" pad, works great and they are always adding new features

    http://naviatorapp.com/Features


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    Once you pick up a good Droid tablet and see how much easier they are to use, you will never want to look at Apple again, for 5 years I have hated the dang thing, just ridiculous the insane path or procedure to get something done that can be done in a heartbeat on a Droid, much more user friendly, for instance maps, crazy insane to operate compared to Droid.

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    Oh by the way... Is anyone looking where they're going anymore? Like touch screens on new cars, attention is constantly diverted from reality to virtual reality. Great helpers, but ought not become the primary source. Many new students might prefer virtual. Pet peeve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyMike View Post
    Oh by the way... Is anyone looking where they're going anymore? Like touch screens on new cars, attention is constantly diverted from reality to virtual reality. Great helpers, but ought not become the primary source. Many new students might prefer virtual. Pet peeve.
    That is no lie, I have to rent for work once a month or so, NUTSNUTS NUTS!!!! These idiots are making it extremely dificult for something simple like turning the heat on, dont even try to figure out how to turn a radio on. Stupid. All I can think of is what is wrong with a knob and lever. These new trucks, a electronic switch to put in 4 wheel.. great until you need 4 wheel and the switch goes.

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    No time to look at the window, too busy reading SuperCub.Org


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    Droid is fine for most GA users. The problem with Droid is the OS is not secure enough to meet FAA requirements for EFBs in 121/135 service. It is not hacking that is feared although that is an issue, the real problem is "too many flavors" of Droid out there that one cannot easily validate how it will interact with a given program. While Apple is very tight with it OS and API, it guarantees usability, and backwards capability. Droid on the other hand allows programs to make changes to its OS to enable them to function better, but the compatibility with other programs or in the future is not guaranteed. All the money in the EFB business is in fleet applications and that is why Droid will always be an "also ran".
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    android users, does your tablet have an internal gps receiver?

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    So far I just have iFly on my phone. Haven't loaded it on a tablet yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dstr59 View Post
    android users, does your tablet have an internal gps receiver?
    Yes. My Samsung phone and tablet both have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dstr59 View Post
    android users, does your tablet have an internal gps receiver?
    Yes, My LG G Pad F 8.0 does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeBee View Post
    All the money in the EFB business is in fleet applications and that is why Droid will always be an "also ran".
    That sounds right. Garmin Pilot runs fine on iPads, so it remains a solid alternative to Foreflight.

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    My android tablet does not have an internal gps, but I have blue tooth connected my Garmin Glo (about $100) to both an Android Tablet running Avare (free app) and an iphone running Foreflight (currently a reasonably priced app). Both worked well. Avare does all I need it to (basic navigation). If foreflight gets expensive, I'll just dust off the android and go back to Avare and paper maps.

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    Both my Samsung phone (Galaxy J3) and Samsung tablet (8" Tab A) have internal GPS--
    they work just fine in the airplane without external antennae or blue-toothing to any other device(s).
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