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    Have you looked at using a printed/vinyl graphic rather than paint??

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    Yes
    I am not painting the Oratex
    just stripes - for now

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    Clay bar to the rescue.

    Quote Originally Posted by bda View Post
    I thought I would pass on to those that are thinking about Oratex:

    I used electrical tape to mock up a paint scheme and it left permanent marks (stains?) in the Oratex coating.
    I have tried every solvent I can think of and they will not come out.
    alcohol
    citrisolve
    wd-40
    magic eraser
    oratex cleaner
    3m adhesive remover
    acetone
    mek
    and others

    So DO NOT PUT ELECTRICAL TAPE ON ORATEX.

    on the bright side, Oratex can handle a lot of different chemicals.
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    Oratex and vinyl stripes done in 12 days 2 guys 8 hr days
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    There is a spray cleaner called Greased Lightning. Seems to be a cross between Windex and paint stripper. I use it for gas stains on paint. Work fast. Test first.
    What's a go-around?
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    GNTW, great looking plane. You must be pleased.
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    I'm planning an exp. build and have been researching fabric, paint and vinyl. My intent is oratex with vinyl emblems wanting to save labor and weight. Speaking to BAF they stated the vinyl should be breathable to avoid potential bubbling over time. Additionally the graphic shop stated their vinyl lifespan at 5-7 years. The vinyl lifespan concerns me as does potential bubbling. Any others with experience on the subject or a recommendation for a vinyl shop in anchorage ak?

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    On RC models, bubbles are something that happens only on installation. Pop with a pin, and the hole is barely noticeable on a 4 foot model. Probably invisible at full scale. My concern would be lifespan and pressing hard enough on unsupported fabric. Is breathable vinyl possible? Shiny on one side and adhesive on the other.
    I wonder if using solid color Monkote would work as trim. Much thinner and lighter. To use Monokote as trim you have to heat tack in a million places before an overall ironing. Otherwise it will shrink before it even touches the substrate. This is done routinely on models, Mono over Mono as trim. Would it stick to woven oratex? Monokote sticks pretty well to 400grit sanded wood.
    What's a go-around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vj88 View Post
    the graphic shop stated their vinyl lifespan at 5-7 years. The vinyl lifespan concerns me
    and that's why I only use vinyl for NNumbers (and I've had a few on different airplanes that I had to replace after only a few years...)

    the failure mode is they curl up from the edges... I will post a couple pictures of OLD vinyl failures locally(chugiak), not sure how old they are... (need to remember to take pictures)

    I doubt you save weight using vinyl.....

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    I have done 6 rebuild doing 2 super cubs this winter and that is all I use is vinyl numbers and strips.all are on aerothane paint .my cub was done 20 years ago with poly tone and vinyl stripes still looks great has 3000 hrs flying I all weather conditions up to - 35f.shows a little wear good for long time yet.one cub with aerothane all Mose as old less hrs .the 12we did with oretec is first one.
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    I have put Vinyl auto striping on my test piece w Oratex, and left out in the weather, 6 months so far - no lift no bubbles

    Oratex makes their own “vinyl” striping and graphics, comes from Germany, and very expensive, but they will do custom.
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    Is anyone doing Oratex "commercially"... As in, If I needed my wings rebuilt and recovered, are folks out there using Oratex?
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    I'm sure any good all around fabrics guy would take it on, one who wanted to see what all the buzz was about. They could get educated on the stuff, on your nickel, why wouldn't they? Others, more conservative, may take a pass.
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    There is a guy here in Alaska, Birchwood I have heard, that is covering w Oratex.

    After my experience, I would not hesitate to tell some one they could do it themselves.

    but,

    I would not pay someone to learn on my airplane. It is just too different from “regular” fabric precess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by courierguy View Post
    ..others, more conservative, may take a pass.
    pass!!!!

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    Mike, I remember you talking awhile back about someone that covered with Oratex and it was in rags the next season? I ask because I'll be recovering my cub in the near future and am considering Oratex but leaning towards Stitts. Would you elaborate on your observations of the Oratex?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herc View Post
    Mike, I remember you talking awhile back about someone that covered with Oratex and it was in rags the next season?
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    i don't remember saying that.......

    but I much prefer stitts or dope, ZERO chance of me using this

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    My apologies. It's been a couple years, must have been someone else.

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    I can for sure see how someone who makes a living using traditional covering techniques, would not take on a Oratex job, why rock the boat? I also know there are shops out there, maybe a bit hungrier, that may be a bit more open to new techniques and material, that would welcome the chance to do an Oratex job. Maybe even at a discount, as it would be understood there would be a learning curve.

    My only personal fabric experience is 100% Stits/Polyfiber/Polytone, 5 planes, and I'm real happy with it. My current 13 year old plane, kept hangared, 2500 hr TT, still looks great with no issues. But I'm also a weight weenie, and saving maybe 15 to 30 (I've heard all kinds of numbers) pounds would for sure make me strongly consider the O option next time. I also don't really care about the cosmetics, more about ease of repair, light of a weight as possible, and longevity, in that order.

    My only first hand knowledge of the stuff is that Hal Stockman, winner of the STOL Oshkosh event this year, and a long time experiential builder and pilot, and a fellow weight weenie, used it, and just said that after a bit of a learning curve (as compared to his previous Stits work) he liked it, and FOR SURE it paid off in the weight department.
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    There is an IA in Wasilla that uses Oratex on his working Cub and installs it. Also an installer I know that does it for a living (has heat gun will travel). While I know both of them, I receive no compensation or perks of any kind by sending business there way. If anybody wishes to contact them, send me a pm.
    "Always looking up"
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