Selling stretched PA-20 project. Professional work and almost ready to rig. Prefer to sell as project, but may be willing to part out. Lots of PA-18 parts available. See photos attached below. Private message me for more information and contact info.
I assume this still falls into the certified category.... ?
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what year pacer is it?
No it's experimental. Have a hard time getting back on to respond to questions. Text me at 208-539-1337 if you still have any questions.
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No it's experimental.Originally Posted by Farmboy
There you go Pete. Loved my Pacer!
From Genesis: "And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be
found in all corners of the earth."
Then he made the earth round... and He laughed and laughed and laughed!
I decided to post the parts list in case anyone was interested.
Bush Master Project:
Fire Wall Forward:
Engine: O-360-A1A
TT 2610 Aprox 200 hours on overhaul
New @ Time of Overhaul:
Leading Edge Exhaust
Light Weight Alternator
Light Weight Starter
Oil Cooler
Ring Gear
Engine Mount
Carburetor
Also Included:
PA-20 Cowling
Nose Bowl
Spinner
Material to make new cowling
Landing Gear
Cleveland Wheels/Brakes
Rebuilt Scott tail wheel
Heavy Duty Rear Spring
New 6" Extended Super Cub Landing Gear
New 30" Alaska Bush Tires
New Alaska Bush Tail Wheel
Material to make safety cables
Also includes extra Scott tail wheel needs rebuilt
Tail Feathers
Squared elevators- Atlee Dodge
Squared Stabilizer- Atlee Dodge
Squared Rudder- Atlee Dodge
New Jack Screw
Tail Brace Wires- Wag-Aero
New Hardware- Wag-Aero/ Atlee Dodge
Wings (All parts new unless noted)
Atlee-Dodge Extended Tanks
Dakota Cub Squared Tips
Extended Flaps - Dakota Cub
Ailerons- Dakota Cub
Ribs- Dakota Cub
Leading Edge- Dakota Cub
Falspars- Dakota Cub
Refurbished spars and rigging
(Used) Atlee Dodge Sealed Struts
New Hardware and Fasteners as necessary
Panel
KLN-90 GPS
PS Engineering 4-place intercom
Horizon Digital Tack
Electronics CHT
New Push/Pull Cables
New Throttle
New EGT
New Firewall
New Panel
New Firewall Blanket
New Breakers
New Wiring
Fuselage
Stretched PA-20
Chrome Molly Tubing Tig-Welded
Media Blasted and Epoxy Painted
Custom Built Aluminum Doors (3) with Lexan Skins
Lexan Skylight Tinted
Seat Belt 4-point Harness- Hooker(2)
New Aluminum Floorboards
Used PA-20 Windshield
New Trim Cable
Reconditioned Pulleys and Hardware
Other Miscellaneous Parts
Two Snap Vents
Bolts, Screw, and Clamps
Northland PA-18 Digital Drawings
Bearhawk Drawings
Amateur Built AC Certification Kit
Miscellaneous Air Craft Wiring
New rigging, bolts, and fairleads
PA-20 Cowling
PA-20 Nose Bowl
I have tried to represent what I can remember of this project as it has been a while since I have worked on it. If interested please come and verify if needed. This was a family project with my two sons and friend who is an A&P and my background is 30 years of automotive collision work and construction. I am very detail oriented and professional in my work. Asking $60,000 this is $30,000 under what I have invested into this project. Will crate and ship for expenses.
Beautiful project but...experimental certification will be a nightmare correct?
I'm wondering the same thing? 51% for E-AB? There are a lot of factory built certified parts in that collection. Probably would make a nice plane, though it will take a friendly FAA person for it to fly.
N1PA
Yup, unfortunately so.
It makes no difference whether they were originally certificated or not. You don’t report the manufacturer on the 51% worksheet. You can’t take credit as the manufacturer but that’s the same whether Piper or Javron built the parts. You can still account for 51% plus. If anyone interested in this gentleman’s project would like to see how my Backcountry kit’s checklist looks? PM me. Fuse, wings, tailfeathers... all were done by other than me. Not a problem.
Backcountry has FAA approval to supply 51% kits. Th E-AB regulations clearly define the use of approved parts.
N1PA
Can you provide a reference?
Not long ago Joe Norris, the most qualified E-AB expert I know of, stated that a builder can assemble his own "kit" and there was no exclusion for approved parts. Backcountry and other kits with 51% approval save us the step of reviewing the build plan with a DAR to pre-qualify 51% eligibility, which may be a good idea for a guy putting together his own "kit".
https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/...amateur_built/
Title 14, Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR), part 21, section 21.191(g), defines an amateur-built aircraft as an aircraft "the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by person(s) who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation."
The major portion of that Pacer in the ad has clearly not been fabricated and assembled for education or recreation. It would be nice to say it was. Early in E-AB days you could do that, however the privilege was carried to extremes. Thus the restrictions.
N1PA
I disagree. Anyone interested can do a google search and it'll likely direct them to the EAA FAQs. The 51% checklist is the document to use to see if 51% works. Your Backcountry kit came with a complete airframe. It wouldn't have mattered if you'd substitutes a Piper airframe.
I had a long talk with my DAR about applicability of ADs when they apply to parts on my plane. Clearly he knew I had certified parts on the plane. Not a big deal.
and the friendly faa people, there out there.
I don't know, it's a lot of money to tak a chance on getting it certified EXAB. Maybe if the wings were built up and assembled with everything well documented you would get credit for that.
Is it still available?
One of my primary choices in aircraft is a stretched Pacer. The information I have collected recently supports stewartb's statements on this issue. Even if I stretch the Pacer wing It does not count toward the 51% because they are factory parts. This situation would then require me to respond by fabricating the entire fuselage to satisfy the 51% rule. I have attached the 'checklist' form so people know what it is.
Edit - While I'm happy I added my initial response I realized it is also important to emphasize this is one objective factor in this problem of using certified aircraft parts in assembling/building experimental aircraft. While a knowledgeable FSDO is also required I also suspect subjective factors exist that could by implemented differently in different locations around the US. As an example, consider how population density might impact a builder's luck in obtaining their airworthiness certificate. It is likely to be much easier to obtain approval in Alaska than a densely populated area of the contiguous 48.
I think the most thorough source of information regarding this subject is FAA Advisory Circular 20-27G. The checklist pdf I attached is contained in this AC.
Last edited by RAVC1; 01-31-2022 at 09:12 AM.
In the interest of helping the seller, if he would fill out the checklist RAVC1 provided, that would be a leg up for any potential buyer to support the "Major Portion" question a DAR might have during certification. Recognize that the last person working on a project doesn't have to meet the 51%, only that 51% of the build was done for education and entertainment. There could be hundreds of hands that worked on it. Of course, the other thing is that when filling out the 8130-12, everyone that worked on it is supposed to be named on the form.
Use this Job Aid for filling out the checklist: https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/...st_Job_Aid.pdf
Actually I am building AB-E in Canada with certified pacer fuselage cert pa-18 wings. It's not hard to score 51% on the evaluation. This project would be perfect for that - specifically speaking for CAN process.
Id have to agree. Lots of experimental cubs I know are assembled (for lack of a better term) from factory and StC’d parts.
TCCA process is different from FAA process.
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