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    Stretched PA-20 with PA-18 Parts

    Selling stretched PA-20 project. Professional work and almost ready to rig. Prefer to sell as project, but may be willing to part out. Lots of PA-18 parts available. See photos attached below. Private message me for more information and contact info.

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    I assume this still falls into the certified category.... ?

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    what year pacer is it?

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    No it's experimental. Have a hard time getting back on to respond to questions. Text me at 208-539-1337 if you still have any questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    I assume this still falls into the certified category.... ?
    No it's experimental.

    There you go Pete. Loved my Pacer!

    From Genesis: "And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be
    found in all corners of the earth."

    Then he made the earth round... and He laughed and laughed and laughed!
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    I decided to post the parts list in case anyone was interested.

    Bush Master Project:
    Fire Wall Forward:
    Engine: O-360-A1A
    TT 2610 Aprox 200 hours on overhaul


    New @ Time of Overhaul:
    Leading Edge Exhaust

    Light Weight Alternator

    Light Weight Starter

    Oil Cooler

    Ring Gear

    Engine Mount

    Carburetor



    Also Included:
    PA-20 Cowling

    Nose Bowl

    Spinner

    Material to make new cowling



    Landing Gear
    Cleveland Wheels/Brakes

    Rebuilt Scott tail wheel

    Heavy Duty Rear Spring

    New 6" Extended Super Cub Landing Gear

    New 30" Alaska Bush Tires

    New Alaska Bush Tail Wheel

    Material to make safety cables

    Also includes extra Scott tail wheel needs rebuilt


    Tail Feathers
    Squared elevators- Atlee Dodge

    Squared Stabilizer- Atlee Dodge

    Squared Rudder- Atlee Dodge

    New Jack Screw

    Tail Brace Wires- Wag-Aero

    New Hardware- Wag-Aero/ Atlee Dodge



    Wings (All parts new unless noted)
    Atlee-Dodge Extended Tanks

    Dakota Cub Squared Tips

    Extended Flaps - Dakota Cub

    Ailerons- Dakota Cub

    Ribs- Dakota Cub

    Leading Edge- Dakota Cub

    Falspars- Dakota Cub

    Refurbished spars and rigging

    (Used) Atlee Dodge Sealed Struts

    New Hardware and Fasteners as necessary



    Panel
    KLN-90 GPS

    PS Engineering 4-place intercom

    Horizon Digital Tack

    Electronics CHT

    New Push/Pull Cables

    New Throttle

    New EGT

    New Firewall

    New Panel

    New Firewall Blanket

    New Breakers

    New Wiring



    Fuselage
    Stretched PA-20

    Chrome Molly Tubing Tig-Welded

    Media Blasted and Epoxy Painted

    Custom Built Aluminum Doors (3) with Lexan Skins

    Lexan Skylight Tinted

    Seat Belt 4-point Harness- Hooker(2)

    New Aluminum Floorboards

    Used PA-20 Windshield

    New Trim Cable

    Reconditioned Pulleys and Hardware



    Other Miscellaneous Parts


    Two Snap Vents

    Bolts, Screw, and Clamps

    Northland PA-18 Digital Drawings

    Bearhawk Drawings

    Amateur Built AC Certification Kit

    Miscellaneous Air Craft Wiring

    New rigging, bolts, and fairleads

    PA-20 Cowling

    PA-20 Nose Bowl


    I have tried to represent what I can remember of this project as it has been a while since I have worked on it. If interested please come and verify if needed. This was a family project with my two sons and friend who is an A&P and my background is 30 years of automotive collision work and construction. I am very detail oriented and professional in my work. Asking $60,000 this is $30,000 under what I have invested into this project. Will crate and ship for expenses.

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    Beautiful project but...experimental certification will be a nightmare correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cappt View Post
    Beautiful project but...experimental certification will be a nightmare correct?
    I'm wondering the same thing? 51% for E-AB? There are a lot of factory built certified parts in that collection. Probably would make a nice plane, though it will take a friendly FAA person for it to fly.
    N1PA

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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    I'm wondering the same thing? 51% for E-AB? There are a lot of factory built certified parts in that collection. Probably would make a nice plane, though it will take a friendly FAA person for it to fly.
    Yup, unfortunately so.

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    It makes no difference whether they were originally certificated or not. You don’t report the manufacturer on the 51% worksheet. You can’t take credit as the manufacturer but that’s the same whether Piper or Javron built the parts. You can still account for 51% plus. If anyone interested in this gentleman’s project would like to see how my Backcountry kit’s checklist looks? PM me. Fuse, wings, tailfeathers... all were done by other than me. Not a problem.
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    Backcountry has FAA approval to supply 51% kits. Th E-AB regulations clearly define the use of approved parts.
    N1PA
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    Can you provide a reference?

    Not long ago Joe Norris, the most qualified E-AB expert I know of, stated that a builder can assemble his own "kit" and there was no exclusion for approved parts. Backcountry and other kits with 51% approval save us the step of reviewing the build plan with a DAR to pre-qualify 51% eligibility, which may be a good idea for a guy putting together his own "kit".
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    https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/...amateur_built/
    Title 14, Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR), part 21, section 21.191(g), defines an amateur-built aircraft as an aircraft "the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by person(s) who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation."

    The major portion of that Pacer in the ad has clearly not been fabricated and assembled for education or recreation. It would be nice to say it was. Early in E-AB days you could do that, however the privilege was carried to extremes. Thus the restrictions.
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    I disagree. Anyone interested can do a google search and it'll likely direct them to the EAA FAQs. The 51% checklist is the document to use to see if 51% works. Your Backcountry kit came with a complete airframe. It wouldn't have mattered if you'd substitutes a Piper airframe.

    I had a long talk with my DAR about applicability of ADs when they apply to parts on my plane. Clearly he knew I had certified parts on the plane. Not a big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    I'm wondering the same thing? 51% for E-AB? There are a lot of factory built certified parts in that collection. Probably would make a nice plane, though it will take a friendly FAA person for it to fly.
    and the friendly faa people, there out there.

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    I don't know, it's a lot of money to tak a chance on getting it certified EXAB. Maybe if the wings were built up and assembled with everything well documented you would get credit for that.

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