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    Alaska airframes fuel bags

    What are people's experiences with these?

    https://www.airframesalaska.com/Liqu...g-p/5.2bag.htm

    I plan to carry five in a belly pod for use in Australia.

    The Turtlepac option looks a lot more sturdy, but it is a lot more $$$$.

    https://www.turtlepac.com/products/c...an-fuel-tanks/

    On the other hand, a leaking fuel bag is a pisser. It's even more of a pisser if it doesn't hold up in a crash.

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    OK, found this. Should have looked first>

    Basically, mostly good, but reliability not 100%. Parts quality not brilliant.

    http://www.supercub.org/forum/showth...-ABI-Fuel-Bags

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    I went this route:https://www.google.com/search?q=Naut...iw=982&bih=640 Not cheap, but I figured this was not the place to be a cheapskate. Like the ABW bags, they take up no room when empty. Mogas, even E10, compatible. Avgas I would assume also.
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    I keep my cans and bushwheel bag upright in the back of the cub. I love my bushwheel bag but I would not trust it or a can not to leak if laid on its side. I will carry 36 gal behind me on long trips if I am alone, If I remember right I can get 20 gal (3 cans 1 bushwheel bag) behind passenger. Could get more if ya stack then. Use the pod for all the other stuff. I have tried hard side 15 gal fuel cube but it was a pain to get in and out. Also had to transfer fuel to cans to get it into the wing. With a bladder you could rig a hose to the wing then just put weight on the bladder to push the fuel into the wing.
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    No issues but deffinately get their valves pour spout.
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    What is the weight limit on the belly pod?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    What is the weight limit on the belly pod?
    If Iím remembering correctly the firman is 150lbs. Thatís the number sticking out in my head


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    Thumbs up ABW Bladder Bags

    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    If Iím remembering correctly the firman is 150lbs. Thatís the number sticking out in my head


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    I use the Bags extensively on long range trips usually carrying two with me and have had no issues. I carry them in the the back always making sure they are upright. If you go this route make sure you purchase the upgraded shut off valve that is brass ( the plastic ones fail quickly )& a few extra cap O Rings in case you lose one.

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    I have been using my 2 bags frequently over the past 7 or so years. I made my own valve. The bags are pretty handy and I just strap one or both in the back, upright.

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    Courierguy----which Nauta bag do you have?
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    I bought six fuel bladders identical to the fuel bladders from Ak Airframes from a manufacturer in China. Final cost including shipping was $62.66 each
    Good morning!Dear Mr sir,
    We offer you that freight USD103.10 from china to Alaska 9965by international express.
    And these bags USD 264.00(44x6pcs)
    So total amount USD 367.00
    If everything is ok,
    Our paypall account:connie@softliquidtank.com
    We will arrange fuel bag in after you payment total cost USD367.00
    We are looking forward to your reply.

    Best regards
    Sonia


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    The 9 gallon one. Two handles make it easy to carry when full, ergonomically correct no less. Usually I put 8 in it, even then you have to use it for a while to figure out how to let the air escape as it fills. Super stable in the back of a pickup truck or loaner car, and I trust the cap, doesn't leak, ever.

    The day this pictured was taken, gas, Avgas, which I don't need in the 912, was selling for 3 bucks a gallon more then regular mogas (I also don't need premium), I made two quick rides, plus screwed around once in town, and saved 48 bucks if my math is correct. Mostly I use this setup when there is NO fuel, not so much about saving money as getting gas, any gas. Everything breaks down and is secured in the plane in less then 5 minutes, as little as 3. That's a 38 MPH e conversion of the Montague folder BTW.
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    What is the weight of one full bag? My math says that 5 is over the 150# limit.



    Quote Originally Posted by RaisedByWolves View Post
    If Iím remembering correctly the firman is 150lbs. Thatís the number sticking out in my head


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    The ABW fuel bag will hold 6 gallons of fuel, so 5 bags is around 300 lbs. I have used my pod on the ground to store moose/caribou on occasion and can fit about 300 lbs of meat in it without problem. I think the paperwork says 150 lbs also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DENNY View Post
    The ABW fuel bag will hold 6 gallons of fuel, so 5 bags is around 300 lbs. I have used my pod on the ground to store moose/caribou on occasion and can fit about 300 lbs of meat in it without problem. I think the paperwork says 150 lbs also.
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    I might be missing something here (usually the case), but wouldnít 6 gallons @6lbs/gal = 36lbs per bag? 36lbs x 5 bags = 180 lbs

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    Yes. Plus the weight of the bags.

    Quote Originally Posted by Idleclamp View Post
    I might be missing something here (usually the case), but wouldn’t 6 gallons @6lbs/gal = 36lbs per bag? 36lbs x 5 bags = 180 lbs

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    Alaska airframes fuel bags

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Yes. Plus the weight of the bags.
    Right, but DENNY was saying 5 bags would be 300#. Surely the bags donít weigh 24# each!?

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    Denny is using the new math!


    Quote Originally Posted by Idleclamp View Post
    Right, but DENNY was saying 5 bags would be 300#. Surely the bags don’t weigh 24# each!?

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    I can get 5 bags in my pod. I put in 5 gallons although they’ll hold a little more. An empty bag weighs 2.5 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idleclamp View Post
    I might be missing something here (usually the case), but wouldn’t 6 gallons @6lbs/gal = 36lbs per bag? 36lbs x 5 bags = 180 lbs

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    You apparently haven't been flying in Alaska. They do manage to get more in their airplanes than we in the lower 48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    You apparently haven't been flying in Alaska. They do manage to get more in their airplanes than we in the lower 48.
    See, I knew I was missing something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    What is the weight limit on the belly pod?
    Firmin tested it loaded with well casing pipe something like 600lbs. Maybe 800.... not that thatís the paperwork limit


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    If you're using these fuel bags, make sure you are only putting 5 gallons in them. They will hold close to 6 gallons, but that is by design so there is room to expand as you gain altitude. You also need to squeeze all the air out of the bag before you put the cap on. The people that are having problems with the bags are often from overfilling them or having excessive amounts of air in the bags expanding and creating overpressure issues splitting seams or pushing fuel past the o-ring. Another tip, apply a small amount of fuel lube on the o-ring. You will be much happier!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Firmin tested it loaded with well casing pipe something like 600lbs. Maybe 800.... not that that’s the paperwork limit
    (utility load factor) 3.8 x (ultimate) 1.5 = 5.7 g 800#/5.7 = 140# (certified load) Firman would have loaded it to 855# for testing purposes to have a placard of 150#. The test is to ensure that the pod and it's attachments will stay together.
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    Even the FAA realizes the country of Alaska is a special place for flying. https://aviation.stackexchange.com/q...lane-in-alaska We are just trying to be more like the professionals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    You apparently haven't been flying in Alaska. They do manage to get more in their airplanes than we in the lower 48.
    My post was more about the math than how much one can get in an airplane.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Idleclamp View Post
    My post was more about the math than how much one can get in an airplane.
    I realized that. It was sort of a joke, which had you seen a some of the loads which are carried in Alaska you would think that their math is different than that of the lower 48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    You apparently haven't been flying in Alaska. They do manage to get more in their airplanes than we in the lower 48.

    Small state with small people so our trips are always very short!

    Also, things weigh less at our extreme altitude.
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

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    How can you reweld a seam that has failed in a bag from Air Frames? That appears to never been welded? just the very outside edge?

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