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    Quote Originally Posted by dgapilot View Post
    If you have a registration, and an Airworthiness certificate, all you need is an A&P/IA to do the 337s and annual. If you don’t have the airworthiness certificate, a couple questions - did it have a permanent certificate (post July 17, 1956)? Do the FAA records indicate if it was surrendered or revoked? If not, once the airplane is finished, and has an annual simply request a replacement. If it expired, was suspended or revoked, you will need to make application for a new airworthiness certificate. Again, it will need an annual prior to this (within the preceding 30 days). Many FAA offices don’t issue certificates anymore. Most certificates are issued by DARs now, so find a DAR that knows old airplanes and work with him. There is a DAR directory on the FAA web site.


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    Thanks DGA...I'll have to look at the paperwork...don't remember but I'm sure it had a permanent. Don't remember if Stock just lost it or what. We do have a good DAR here, and he's actually a good Super Cub guy, so that'll help. I probably might as well get with him on it sooner than later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S2D View Post
    Proof that you don't have to have an airworthiness certificate to sign off an aircraft as airworthy-------but I digress, back to the cabin !!
    Actually I recommend they be signed as unairworthy with the sole discrepancy being the lack of an airworthiness certificate. Once a DAR issues that certificate and makes the log book entry you are then good to go!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardtailjohn View Post
    That's about what I'm gonna have to try.......
    Or a good piece of tubing!


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    Be aware that some time there going to jump on the insurance band wagon like your car and truck, if it's considered a "total" and they pay in full, you get a "rebuilt" title and at that piont it's "destroyed in there eyes. Lots of questions will follow from this point of view. I also wecome our input.
    I once had a motorhome rear ended, they totaled it and paid me, but I bought it back at a lower price as part of the settlement, months later got a notice of rebuilt title being sent to AK DMV, I sued and won. It was not part of the buy back agreement. I used there own paperwork against them....Scott
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    I still haven't had anyone convince me of the danger of the "data plate" rebuild.
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    "the FAAST (FAA Safety Team) is hosting a seminar at UAF in Fairbanks on Friday, January 25th"

    Fairbanks Ak. in January is normally cold. But this year may not be so come on up and attend the seminar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by S2D View Post
    Proof that you don't have to have an airworthiness certificate to sign off an aircraft as airworthy-------but I digress, back to the cabin !!
    AND.... Along that line. One can give a Flight Review to a pilot who is without a current medical.
    "...We're fast enough to get there, But slow enough to see..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    "the FAAST (FAA Safety Team) is hosting a seminar at UAF in Fairbanks on Friday, January 25th"

    Fairbanks Ak. in January is normally cold. But this year may not be so come on up and attend the seminar.



    I participated in that seminar several years ago and they broke some records that weekend with temps dropping into the 40s below. I didn't know why people kept walking out and back in all day. Found out they were starting their vehicles so the oil wouldn't congel. Never thought zero and sunshine would feel so good until I got to Anchorage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    I participated in that seminar several years ago and they broke some records that weekend with temps dropping into the 40s below. I didn't know why people kept walking out and back in all day. Found out they were starting their vehicles so the oil wouldn't congel. Never thought zero and sunshine would feel so good until I got to Anchorage.
    Hey Steve there's these modern gadgets called Auto Starts (http://autotrimdesignalaska.com/autostarts/) that allow the owner to start the vehicle from a warm comfort zone. They also can incorporate a temp sensor that fires up the engine when preset low cab temps are reached. Auto trans only I assume. So no fears there's better ways now to keep the ride warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Hey Steve there's these modern gadgets called Auto Starts (http://autotrimdesignalaska.com/autostarts/) that allow the owner to start the vehicle from a warm comfort zone. They also can incorporate a temp sensor that fires up the engine when preset low cab temps are reached. Auto trans only I assume. So no fears there's better ways now to keep the ride warm.

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    They work fine with a manual, just have to leave it out of gear. And have a switch for the clutch safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CamTom12 View Post
    They work fine with a manual, just have to leave it out of gear. And have a switch for the clutch safety.
    until you forget once.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    until you forget once.....
    Good point, haha

    I had a webasto diesel-fired coolant heater on my truck. Iíd just leave that thing on all day when it was rough out. Burned almost nothing for fuel and took almost no amps to operate. And zero hours on the engine.

    Iíll definitely install another one of those over an auto start when I get back up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamTom12 View Post
    They work fine with a manual, just have to leave it out of gear. And have a switch for the clutch safety.
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    until you forget once.....
    You guys reminded me of a story that I was told. One of the mechanics at work (Northeast Airlines) always used to toot his horn prior to starting his car when he got in to go home. Every day! The other mechanics decided to teach him a lesson so they wired his horn button to the starter. That broke that habit.
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    That was only about 3 years ago, maybe those folks hadn't embraced the technology. I am always amazed at the simple thinks I never thought about that is daya to day in Alaska. I guess there are things I do here in the summer that y'all wouldn't be familiar with.
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    My remote starter automatically turns on my defroster and seat heat, regardless of how they’re set. I use it multiple times every day. I wish my TX truck did the same with AC!
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    anyone going to this?? i forgot about the shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    anyone go to this??
    Won't be much to learn if the Gov't doesn't show up on the 25th. Might not be too cold: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/fairbanks/ext

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC12D-4-85 View Post
    Won't be much to learn if the Gov't doesn't show up on the 25th. Might not be too cold: https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/fairbanks/ext

    Gary

    Might learn more if the Feds aren't there. The Feds run the rural feeds and MC the whole affair, 0730 Jan 25th. UAF Wood Center
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    Might learn more if the Feds aren't there. The Feds run the rural feeds and MC the whole affair, 0730 Jan 25th. UAF Wood Center
    where do we find links to the webcast? can someone post them here please

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    Looks like three simultaneous events covering the same topics: https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/even...spx?statecd=AK Link was good a few ago then down temp for maintenance.

    Is this offered as a Webinar/Webcast?

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    I think it’s more like a closed circuit feed to different locals around the State. You would need to go to a regional local and attend. People can interact, ask questions, give input. I would think that Anchorage would do the same for their region, just like Fairbanks does.

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    Here is the Anchorage schedule

    IA Event Details


    Below you will find the details for the upcoming IA Seminar in Anchorage, AK
    Title:
    2019 IA Seminar

    Topic:
    Topics include Human Factors, Accident Data, Field Approvals, new products and developments.

    Date and Time:
    Friday, January 25, 2019, starting at 08:00 Alaskan Standard Time

    Speaker(s):
    Dr. Bill Johnson, Wayne Ghee, Charles Wisner, David Swartz, Brian Costello, Brian Stelle, Zach Lincolnhol, Ky Ngo

    Brief Description:
    IA Seminar Schedule:
    07:30 – 08:00 Registration and paperwork review
    08:00 – 08:05 Introduction, Emergency Briefing, Restrooms, Refreshments
    08:05 – 08:55 Dr. Bill Johnson, FAA Chief Scientist – Human Factors – Aviation Maintenance
    08:55 – 09:00 Break
    09:00 – 09:55 Garmin – Wayne Ghee – New equipment, new systems, new installation paperwork
    09:55 – 10:00 Break
    10:00 – 10:55 Charles Wisner – FAA Safety Team – Field Approval Process
    10:55 – 11:00 Break
    11:00 – 11:55 David Swartz – FAA Aircraft Certification Office – Continuous Operation Safety Updates
    11:55 – 12:55 LUNCH
    12:55 – 13:50 Lycoming – Brian Costello – Lycoming Engine maintenance tips and practices
    13:50 – 13:55 Break
    13:55 – 14:50 Hartzell Propeller – Brian Steele – Propeller maintenance practices (metal and composite)
    14:50 – 14:55 Break
    14:55 – 15:55 Champion Aerospace – Zach Lincolnhol – Engine ignition systems
    15:55 – 16:00 Break
    16:00 – 17:00 – Ky Ngo – FAA Order 8100.19 – Destroyed and Scrapped Aircraft.
    Select Number:
    AL0388439

    Location of Seminar:
    ChangePoint
    6689 Changepoint Dr.
    Anchorage, AK 99518


    Directions to Venue:
    Directions from Ted Stevens Anchorage Airport – Get on Minnesota Dr from W International Airport Rd/Take Raspberry Rd to Alaska’s Best PI/Continue on Alaska’s Best PI to your destination

    Fly-in Seminar
    Yes PANC

    Seating:
    200 seats at the facility, 200 for online registration.
    www.Faasafety.gov


    Registration Information:
    Sponsoring Division:
    FAASTeam

    Contact Information:
    KYLE JAMES WEINZIRL
    Phone: (907) 271-7019
    kyle.weinzirl@faa.gov


    Additional Event Information & Acknowledgement of Industry Sponsor(s):
    The Alaska FAA Safety Team gives a special “Thank You” to University of Alaska, Fairbanks Campus for coordinating the broadcasting capabilities to the Alaska communities and to ChangePoint Alaska for the use of their facility in Anchorage, AK.
    Equal Access Information:
    The FAA Safety Team (FAASTeam) is committed to providing equal access to this meeting/event for all participants. If you need alternative formats or services because of a disability, please communicate your request as soon as possible with the person in the “Contact Information” area of the meeting/event notice. Note that two weeks is usually required to arrange services.

    Credit Applicability:
    AMT
    1 Hour Total for AMT
    AMT
    7 Hours Total for AMT

    Kyle Weinzirl Mike Yorke
    FAA Safety Team Program Manager FAA Safety Team Program Manager
    Anchorage FSDO AL03 Anchorage FSDO AL03

    ( (907) 271-7019 * kyle.weinzirl@faa.gov (907) 271-5908 mike.yorke@faa.gov

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    Cancelled for now:

    FAA Safety Team | Safer Skies Through Education
    The seminar titled "2019 IA Seminar - Renewal Course" has been cancelled. We apologize for any incovenience this may cause you.
    For your information, the seminar was scheduled on Friday January 25, 2019 08:00 AKST at:
    University of Alaska, Fairbanks Campus, Wood Conference Center
    505 S. Chandalar, Fairbanks, Alaska
    Wood Center - Carol Brown Ballroom, Room 209
    Fairbanks, AK 99709
    If the seminar is to be rescheduled, it will be announced on FAASafety.gov. Thank you for using https://www.FAASafety.gov.
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    Remember,

    Orville and Wilbur flew an unlicensed craft, without pilot's licenses.

    Oh the HUMANITY, how far we've fallen.



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    Life is not a dress rehearsal, and is a fatal condition...make it count. It's a good landing if you can still open the doors.

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    And, on the other hand, the Hindenburg's crew was fully licensed and current.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wireweinie View Post
    And, on the other hand, the Hindenburg's crew was fully licensed and current.

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    But they weren't participating in an approved drug testing program.
    You can't get there from here. You have to go over yonder and start from there.
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    GASP!

    So THAT's what happened.

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    Fairbanks FAA Seminar Concerning Destroyed Aircraft

    And didnít have current batteries in the ELT


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    I propose that any thread involving the FAA belong in the jokes section

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    A seminar is scheduled in Anchorage.

    "Destroyed and Scrapped Aircraft Briefing and IA Renewal"
    Topic: There will be a presentation and dialog with a question and answer period on FAA Order 8100.19, Destroyed and Scrapped Aircraft.
    On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 at 17:30 Alaskan Daylight Time
    Location:
    UAA Aviation Technology Division (Bldg.)
    2811 Merrill Field Dr, Anchorage, AK

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    Quote Originally Posted by akwing View Post
    I propose that any thread involving the FAA belong in the jokes section
    i second that. the very first question that needs to go to these people is, ask them if theyve ever restored a 57 chevy or a vintage camaro or mustang or anything like that then you will know what your up against. I dont think these foreign people that are taking over have any pride in projects, vintage stuff, etc at all. they never grew up with it. and dont understand. id put money on it that a 70 chevelle dosent mean squat to them.

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    Did anyone attend the Fairbanks event? Takeaways?

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    do they got an online video of it by chance?

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    https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/even...EventList.aspx

    Next presentation in Anchorage March 20th UAA Av Tech Merrill Field @ 17:30.

    Noted previously Post #71.

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    how did this turn out???
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    I didnít make it to the meeting. Did speak with a guy who did attend. He came away with the idea that the new regulations were designed to eliminate liability for the manufacturer of the aircraft and that it is to promote sales of new aircraft to replace older aircraft. His opinion was that the FAA is attempting to reduce risk of shoddy workmanship, saying that after rebuilding a totaled aircraft it canít be brought back to the same standard met by the manufacturer and that it canít be re-certified. That it can be moved into the experimental category. So...I asked. If I own a $25,000 certified aircraft and only insure the hull for $25k and it gets totaled by the insurance company because itíll cost more to repair due to the insured Hull value? That I canít rebuild it and keep it certified if the damage costs more than $25k? But if I insured that $25k aircraft for $50k and the repair cost is less than that it can be repaired as a certified aircraft.

    So after talking with him....I read the regulation... doesnít lead me to believe my restoration after the insurance company totaled is effected by this regulation. Didnít see anything about taking a certified aircraft into the experimental category.




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    If potentially shoddy workmanship is an alleged concern then have the FAA perform a Conformity Inspection with the techs during and after restoration. Or at least document the rebuild to support the workmanship if later questions arise.

    I had that obligation placed on me, the restorer, and my former PA-11. My money their time well beyond budget. Yes it's another PIA for everybody and in most cases I've seen unnecessary providing the rebuilder has the appropriate substantiating data available. Most have or can get that.

    Just an owner's experience. https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_43-210A.pdf

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    so..... not sure what's what here...but just browsing accident reports... on one 4 may 19 in AK.. https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=1...DATE:04-MAY-19look up N Number by clinking link in above description...https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...mbertxt=N456SFso 2 DAYS after accident(probably SAME DAY FAA add your info to database?, they also then), the FAA?? cancels YOUR REGISTRATION? are THEY MAKING THE DETERMINATION if it's rebuildable??... I could see them saying its not airworthy, but CANCELING YOUR REGISTRATION???wow!!!!

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    I wondered why it was de-registered when it hit Kathryn's Report Wednesday. In the link (https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinq...mbertxt=N456SF) it notes a "Certificate Issue Date 01/28/2016"

    If he plane has to be re-registered every three years (https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...istration_faq/) was the registration current when the accident occurred 5/3/19?, or was recent action taken to deregister the aircraft post accident? And by whom?

    "Because an aircraft with an expired registration is not registered, its airworthiness certification would be considered ineffective. Without registration the aircraft is not authorized for flight. Once registration is restored, the airworthiness certificate not having been surrendered, revoked or terminated would become effective again provided the aircraft is otherwise compliant with maintenance, inspections, and any other requirements for an effective airworthiness."

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