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    Emergency tire inflator

    How well would a can of tire inflator work on 8.50's if needed off airport?

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    A bicycle pump works just fine, even for 35's.

    The biggest challenge is curing the issue that caused the flat. Must have tire repair stuff for that.

    I would expect any compressed air will assist, but if you need to do it more than once will it last? Or would a tire pump be better?
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    I carry a small inflator that takes threaded CO2 cartridges. Five 16g bottles will take an empty 31" bushwheel up to six psi. I hesitate to think of how my elbow and shoulder would feel after hand pumping that
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    Fix a Flat type latex sealer-inflaters will have plenty of volume for an 8.50x6 but will lack pressure. It'll get you home but the pressure will need to be topped off with a pump. Prevention additives like Slime or Stan's No Tubes solve lots of problems before they happen. I carry a full size hand pump for the times I need one.
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    Foot pump for me, works wonders low pressure or high (180 tail wheel).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    Prevention additives like Slime or Stan's No Tubes solve lots of problems before they happen.
    That's a good point, especially with ABW's. You're never going inside one once it's made so there's no downside. Patching a traditional tire or tube after it's been Slimed is a messy job, especially tubeless, but with an ABW it's no harm-no foul. I might just do that next time.
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    ......or call me and I’ll come rescue you. Better yet, come get the 31s in my hangar then you won’t have to worry about tubes
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    That's what I have on it now.

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    OK, is there anything I can put in the 8.50 tubes that won’t ball up and get the tires way out of balance? They’re turning a lot faster than large tundra tires.
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    Do not use slime. It is very corrosive to aluminum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stankasica View Post
    Do not use slime. It is very corrosive to aluminum
    Wouldn't that only be an issue in a tubeless tire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Wood View Post
    OK, is there anything I can put in the 8.50 tubes that won’t ball up and get the tires way out of balance? They’re turning a lot faster than large tundra tires.
    That's my only concern. It's not like you can just go drive for 20 miles and spread it around in the tire. As to balance factor vs tire size, probably a push. ABW turns slower but has a greater radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    ... Prevention additives like Slime or Stan's No Tubes solve lots of problems before they happen. I carry a full size hand pump for the times I need one.
    How long does Stan's last? I assume it will solidify after a year or two.
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    No idea. I haven't had a leak after adding it and I've never renewed it. Works great. I add it to new Bushwheels before first inflation but the better test is my 4-wheeler tires. Those get tortured. It works equally well in both.

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    Ive had good luck with a automotive tire plug kit on ABW's, limped home after plugging a pretty good gash. 3 plugs in one hole got it to hold air, tire slime when I got home completely stopped the bubbling. Its now on the community emergency spare parts shelf and still holding air.

    I keep a good quality plug kit with my underseat tool stash, still looking for a good, compact, high volume low pressure tire pump. researched compressed cartridges but, as mentioned, takes a bunch of them.

    Slime type products are latex based and, from my experience, "dry up" after 6 months or so, might not be a guaranteed preventative solution but works great when fresh.

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    How much Slime does a Bushwheel require?

    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    No idea. I haven't had a leak after adding it and I've never renewed it. Works great. I add it to new Bushwheels before first inflation but the better test is my 4-wheeler tires. Those get tortured. It works equally well in both.
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    It’s been a long time since I used Green Slime in a Bushwheel but I have several bottles on the shelf for my wheelers, The Airframes website has directions for Stan’s and Orange Seal. I used Orange Seal cold weather formula in my 35s and I think they used 6 oz each. Different tires need different amounts of sealant. Check their site for accurate info, my memory isn’t always accurate.

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    Not a factor in a Bushwheel!

    Quote Originally Posted by PerryB View Post
    Wouldn't that only be an issue in a tubeless tire?
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    Yes, that's what I was getting at. It seems like a good preventative thing, but you'd almost need a rotator like I saw posted many months ago, designed for coating old ABW's with Herculiner. I wouldn't want all that stuff pooled up in one spot. It could possibly make them even more unbalanced than they are new.

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    Roll them around the hangar. It ain't rocket science!

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    How long? It takes a while for that stuff to become non-migratory. With a car you're supposed to go out and drive it to distribute it around the tire. May be a non-issue, I don't know, but you'd sure figure it out on the first take-off if that stuff was pooled up in one spot!
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    I figured one and a half beers per tire. That doesn't take all day for me.
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    Or do a slow taxi to the runway and a couple landings
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    Assuming you can get the weight off your flat Bushwheel, it should "auto inflate" to some extent with valve stem out.
    shouldnt take that much volume of air to get it back to serviceable condition.

    Found this gizmo, at 8 oz, pretty lightweight and compact - and spendy, $75 - but that's pretty cheap in airplane dollars.


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    Joe, I think the Stan's tire sealant would work fine in your 8.50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinJ View Post
    ......or call me and I’ll come rescue you. Better yet, come get the 31s in my hangar then you won’t have to worry about tubes
    Are you sure you can get into Joe's LZs?
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    Come on Joe, drop some $$$ on a set of bushwheels. All of the cool kids are doing it.
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    I used Stans in my baby bushwheel and I have the tubeless sealant from Airframes in my 31's no balance issues
    https://www.airframesalaska.com/Oran...orangeseal.htm
    https://www.notubes.com/shop/tubeless/sealant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
    Assuming you can get the weight off your flat Bushwheel, it should "auto inflate" to some extent with valve stem out.
    shouldnt take that much volume of air to get it back to serviceable condition.

    Found this gizmo, at 8 oz, pretty lightweight and compact - and spendy, $75 - but that's pretty cheap in airplane dollars.


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    Not enough volume to be useful. Not unlike the small bicycle pumps that clamp onto a tube. They look nice until you try to pump up a tundra sized flat tire with one.

    I look for typical full size hand pumps that have the biggest diameter tube. I’m not concerned with high pressures like bicycle guys and want the highest pump volume I can get. And no built in gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightflyer View Post
    Come on Joe, drop some $$$ on a set of bushwheels. All of the cool kids are doing it.
    You guys really want me to come over to the dark side, don’t you....well, I’ve flown Cubs with little wheels for 52 years so I’m sorta stuck in a rut (pun intended). Paid $700 total for my first ‘46 J-3.
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    I have been using Stan's for many years in mountain bike tires.
    I give my tires a booster shot of Stan' every six months or so .
    Also for those who operate in sub freezing weather: Stan's does not work well in the cold. I have had many a long walk home due to flat tires in a snowstorm.

    As for pumps:
    Scouter turned me on to a very nice pump by Ryobi.

    https://www.amazon.com/Ryobi-P737-Po...dless+air+pump

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    The downside of Stan's is that it hardens after a year or so. The suggestion is to replace it every six months on bike tires. I have found hard clumps of the stuff in my bike tires that you can hear rattling around. Since you can't clean out a bushwheel it will only have a short term application. If you keep adding it, you will end up with a big wad of the stuff rolling around in your tire.

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    What's the fluid base for cold temp Orange Seal?

    I've never refreshed my sealants. Sealants have stopped the slow leak down in Bushwheels and my wheeler tires. I've never needed to add more. The sets of Bushwheels that i've bought haven't been perfectly round. Tire balance is the least of my concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    What's the fluid base for cold temp Orange Seal?

    I've never refreshed my sealants. Sealants have stopped the slow leak down in Bushwheels and my wheeler tires. I've never needed to add more. The sets of Bushwheels that i've bought haven't been perfectly round. Tire balance is the least of my concerns.
    I assume some ethylene or propylene glycol (antifreeze)
    both are water soluble as is latex.

    Bushwheels are pretty porous by nature, tire goop is a good solution to address this.
    Once the “nano particles” (paint) have migrated to the areas needed it’s done it job, even it it dries up a bit.
    Wouldnt count on it to address a new hole if it’s been awhile since last application.

    re tire balance: you’re obviously landing too fast ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Are you sure you can get into Joe's LZs?
    Truth be told, Joe will probably be the one to come rescue Brandt and I after we try and shoehorn our cubs into a canyon wall.
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