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    I replaced my PVC airlines a few years ago with this RapidAir MaxLine system and really like it.
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    When you wire for sound, string some extra wires. Not worried about weight here, lol. For example, if you are wiring for a speaker location, run an extra pair of speaker wires. Also think about running a light duty pair of AC power wires. Just stow them for now. Down the road you may want to up grade the speakers or use powered equipment at that location. When you do, just hook up the unused wires and go. Lots easier (i.e. cheaper) than opening up a wall.

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    Here's the proper way to wire for sound. Sadly the pretty girl isn't included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 55-PA18A View Post
    Since the walls are still uncovered, it would be a good time to run air pressure lines and connectors to areas that might be convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    I really liked the built in hose reals in the draco construction videos.


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    This.
    Air reels, electric reels, vacuum, perhaps even water reels. I suppose in a non-working hangar one could go overboard, but I sure think it would be really hard to. I got fed up with hoses and mounted external hard lines in my shop for air, and STILL didn't put in as many drops as I should have. If every inch can be reached with two different drops it _might_ be enough.

    I only run 100-110 psi, but the 3/4" pex tubing has been flawless.
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    Remodeling a Hangar: Suggestions Requested

    At 40 second mark. Hose reels.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboy View Post
    This.
    Air reels, electric reels, vacuum, perhaps even water reels. I suppose in a non-working hangar one could go overboard, but I sure think it would be really hard to. I got fed up with hoses and mounted external hard lines in my shop for air, and STILL didn't put in as many drops as I should have. If every inch can be reached with two different drops it _might_ be enough.

    I only run 100-110 psi, but the 3/4" pex tubing has been flawless.
    I just added a couple drops to my air system. I’ve just use schedule 40 pvc pipe running at 175 lbs for 20 years??? Blah blah everybody says not to. But only time it broke is when I ran the 4000lb forklift into it. Yes never enough drops.


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    If you install any type of hose/pipe/line behind the wall, make sure each run is at enough of an angle and has ports to drain anything out of them if needed. Simple and doesn't cost any extra to do.

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    Randy,

    How is a Minnesota grass strip maintained in winter? Groomed? What's the rule for freeze up and break up when the turf is vulnerable? How many days a year is the strip "off limits" to protect it?

    It appears the popular style there is to separate the house and hangar? Up here the trend is to attach hangar to house. Pros and cons to each, I guess. Have fun with the project and good luck with the move. We'll have to compare notes in the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    I just added a couple drops to my air system. I’ve just use schedule 40 pvc pipe running at 175 lbs for 20 years??? Blah blah everybody says not to. But only time it broke is when I ran the 4000lb forklift into it. Yes never enough drops.


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    Mine have been in about that long and started exploding and blowing shrapenal everywhere. Enviroment might have something to do with our different experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Pierce View Post
    Mine have been in about that long and started exploding and blowing shrapenal everywhere. Enviroment might have something to do with our different experience.
    That was my only reason for using pex , if it does blow there won’t be any shrapnel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    When you use urethane foam you don't add a separate vapor barrier. To do so makes a second barrier and creates a terrarium in the wall. That's what rots studs and rafters, and it was a big problem 30 years ago. It isn't a problem these days and foam is still popular in new construction.
    That is my understanding, as well. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Kirby,
    I am assuming that a liquid densifier is an admix? What does it do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    At 40 second mark. Hose reels.




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    Thanks, Mike! Excellent idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    Randy,

    How is a Minnesota grass strip maintained in winter? Groomed? What's the rule for freeze up and break up when the turf is vulnerable? How many days a year is the strip "off limits" to protect it?

    It appears the popular style there is to separate the house and hangar? Up here the trend is to attach hangar to house. Pros and cons to each, I guess. Have fun with the project and good luck with the move. We'll have to compare notes in the spring.

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    Groomed. This happens to be the same airstrip at which Santa began his Santa Flyins! The airstrip blows snow down the runway, and it is up to the owners to make a path to their hangars. I don't yet know the rules regarding freeze up and break up, but I am sure I'll be educated on this soon. We plan to move the Santa Flyin to our hangar (which will be heated), as compared to the one we have used for the last 4 years (which is cold storage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    At 40 second mark. Hose reels.




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    Nice! I will do some research on this. My only concern is what kind of access one needs to service the reel system. I'll try to find the supplier/vendor and find out. Thanks, Mike.

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    Never mind!
    https://allgaragefloors.com/concrete-densifier-sealer/



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    Kirby,
    I am assuming that a liquid densifier is an admix? What does it do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDCROWE View Post
    Randy,

    Mine (new construction) is polished through 2400 grit and has a liquid densifier applied

    If you decide to paint, do a vapor transmission test FIRST.
    I don't know what a liquid densifier is, nor a vapor transmission test.

    Is a liquid densifier related at all to a flux capacitor?

    I hope the vapor transmission test is not what is used to detect those nasty gasses that Shrek had coming out of his ...

    Seriously, what are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Eddie, excellent source...thanks for providing!

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    Should be a piece of cake for a guy that knows the intricacies of female plumbing!


    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post
    Nice! I will do some research on this. My only concern is what kind of access one needs to service the reel system. I'll try to find the supplier/vendor and find out. Thanks, Mike.

    Randy
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post
    Nice! I will do some research on this. My only concern is what kind of access one needs to service the reel system. I'll try to find the supplier/vendor and find out. Thanks, Mike.

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    just make a screw on cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post
    I don't know what a liquid densifier is, nor a vapor transmission test.

    Is a liquid densifier related at all to a flux capacitor?

    I hope the vapor transmission test is not what is used to detect those nasty gasses that Shrek had coming out of his ...

    Seriously, what are they?

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    The densifier is a liquid that reacts with the free calcium in the surface of the concrete (it is applied after polishing and cleaning) and makes it more impervious, which makes it liquid and dust repellent but it will still pass some moisture through in case of excessive sub-grade moisture.

    The moisture vapor pressure test is used to measure the amount of water vapor that is trying to migrate through the concrete which without a mechanical vapor barrier or other measures is a regular occurance. This is really important if you are going to try to glue down a floor covering or paint it (even with epoxies) and if really strong floor stain. Most commercial mastic floor glues limit vapor transmission to 2 or 3 psi or less, any more and the glue bleeds up through the seams on small goods and with sheet vinyl it will form bubbles under and lift the flooring. With paint it will blister and fail with excessive vapor pressure and it looks like hell.

    Old black mastics would resist a lot of moisture and it didn’t used to be a problem.

    Hope that splains it.

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    Counter point. No floor coatings for me. I don't protect my garage floor and the hangar is no different. I'll probably sweep it like my garage, too. With a backpack blower. No built in air. Not enough need to warrant it. A portable compressor and a rubber hose will work fine the three or four times a year I'll need it. No sound system. It's a big box. The absolute worst acoustics design possible. I want good lighting and lots of outlets. An adequate work bench near my roll-aways and that area needs even better lighting and more outlets. Commercial racking and a warehouse style rolling ladder. Snowmachine lift and lots of snowgo dollies. Skags are hard on concrete! I have a chain hoist that'll get quickly replaced with an electric version. It isn't on a rail so I'll need Gojacks to position the plane(s). I'm already sorry that I sold my last town-based 4-wheeler. A replacement unit is probably on the horizon for tugging planes and plowing snow.
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    With regard to floor coverings, I am needing to do something with the existing floor. The owner put down linoleum tile that is coming up from, I think, the 500K gallons of water that stood on it for quite some time. It is going to have to be removed and the underlying glue removed...that will be quite a job, and one I am not wanting to tackle.

    I figure that some sort of machine will be used to grind off the glue, so might as well polish it up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post
    With regard to floor coverings, I am needing to do something with the existing floor. The owner put down linoleum tile that is coming up from, I think, the 500K gallons of water that stood on it for quite some time. It is going to have to be removed and the underlying glue removed...that will be quite a job, and one I am not wanting to tackle.

    I figure that some sort of machine will be used to grind off the glue, so might as well polish it up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindOnHisNose View Post
    With regard to floor coverings, I am needing to do something with the existing floor. The owner put down linoleum tile that is coming up from, I think, the 500K gallons of water that stood on it for quite some time. It is going to have to be removed and the underlying glue removed...that will be quite a job, and one I am not wanting to tackle.

    I figure that some sort of machine will be used to grind off the glue, so might as well polish it up a bit.

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    you can google concrete grinding, in places like AZ where there's a lot of remodeling taking place, people are doing just that. they rip up the old tile, then grind the glue off to a smooth finish, then start over with the new glue and tile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruffair View Post
    you can google concrete grinding, in places like AZ where there's a lot of remodeling taking place, people are doing just that. they rip up the old tile, then grind the glue off to a smooth finish, then start over with the new glue and tile.
    Eddie, I am not well-versed in floor preparation...am going to let someone who knows what they are doing to have at it. It was my understanding that they take the diamond grinder to the floor after the tile has been removed. Ruffair, thanks for the input. I'm not going to put down tile again, that is for certain!

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    A floor scraper in the hands of a young guy with a good back will make short work of most tiles. Hopefully they used self-stick.

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    Randy,
    If the glue is gummy it will just foul the grinder. However if it is hard and brittle, the grinder can handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    A floor scraper in the hands of a young guy with a good back will make short work of most tiles. Hopefully they used self-stick.
    For a 3600 sf hanger, knock your socks off. Me I’d have it done or at the least check out Home Depot Rental and get a tile buster for a day.
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    I like hiring young guys who want to work. I used to be one!
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    Used a floor scraper on my paint booth floor to get the decades of old paint up. Between the scraper, MEK and paint stripper we got it clean but not much fun.
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    Shot peen blaster to get the old stuff off and prep for new floor. There is a place here which makes a bunch of industrial floor coatings: http://www.protectiveindustrialpolymers.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    I like hiring young guys who want to work. I used to be one!
    I agree, but getting harder to find them these days.

    Randy, might do you good to include a coin operated bunk system so when us deadbeats come to hang out you can at least recoup your electric costs

    I am following this floor discussion closely. We are backfilling our foundation right now, and the floor should get poured next week if all goes well.

    I like a bright colored floor so I can see the little parts I just dropped, and makes the hangar brighter. But everyone here has great reasoning why not to do that.

    Listening to any suggestions!
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    I finally gravitated to $20/gallon white oil based enamel and run snowmachine skegs on it, studs on it, don't put carpet under tires, can see lost bolts,... and don't worry about it when it get's scraped off in a patchy sort of way... the price to make it new again is $600 for a complete coat on an 80x100 hangar. I don't like dark grey concrete for the hangar light, don't like it for finding lost things, and can't see paying 30K for something I have to treat like gold and cant drag a set of floats across.. Also put in new LED lights to help see.. they have timers so you can use all your available watts that used to run the halides but be twice as bright, and they shut themselves off if you don't move. That saves money with twice the light.
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    80x100? Holy crap, that's big! How do you heat it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    I agree, but getting harder to find them these days.

    Randy, might do you good to include a coin operated bunk system so when us deadbeats come to hang out you can at least recoup your electric costs

    I am following this floor discussion closely. We are backfilling our foundation right now, and the floor should get poured next week if all goes well.

    I like a bright colored floor so I can see the little parts I just dropped, and makes the hangar brighter. But everyone here has great reasoning why not to do that.

    Listening to any suggestions!
    if you want to paint your floor put a heavy plastic vapor barrier down with overlapped and taped seams on top of the subgrade and then put 2-4 inches of fine sand over that to help the floor cure better and stay flat then etch or blast it before you paint.

    My polished floor is shines in the light so you can see lost parts easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post

    I like a bright colored floor so I can see the little parts I just dropped,

    Listening to any suggestions!
    Since your plane sheds parts, you can find them easily. Also, scratch my name in your concrete, resale will increase.



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    My Hangar

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveE View Post
    Since your plane sheds parts, you can find them easily. Also, scratch my name in your concrete, resale will increase.



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    Quote Originally Posted by aktango58 View Post
    I agree, but getting harder to find them these days.

    Randy, might do you good to include a coin operated bunk system so when us deadbeats come to hang out you can at least recoup your electric costs

    I am following this floor discussion closely. We are backfilling our foundation right now, and the floor should get poured next week if all goes well.

    I like a bright colored floor so I can see the little parts I just dropped, and makes the hangar brighter. But everyone here has great reasoning why not to do that.

    Listening to any suggestions!
    My hangar has a plain old concrete floor, but expertly finished. I keep a super bright LED work light handy for finding lost items, as I was reluctant to paint it or go the epoxy route, just cheap I guess. The light cost $20.00, compare that to paint/epoxy cost, and gets the job done, finding dropped parts. Making the hangar brighter is of more interest to me then finding lost parts, but I handled that by the lights I have, if ever did spring for a white floor, it'd be for the light refraction though, can't have too much light!
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