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    Another possibility would be any good football helmet and a Clarity Aloft earbud set. Top of the line protection and top of the line audio. It’s not how I am going, but it was a strong thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    ANR only cancels low frequencies. A full coverage helmet is the best thing I know for blocking highs.
    ANR cancels the full spectrum. We just notice the difference in low more.

    As to impact protection, I suspect that the new air bag belts might be a better investment in a Cub.

    Best of all, donít hit anything you donít intend to. As Bill Brine pointed out, a poorly designed helmet or one designed for a different impact scenario might actually be worse not better than a headset.

    In my experience, helmets CAN BE more comfortable on very long flights than headsets IF theyíre REALLY well fitted. But most folks arenít sitting in a Cub for seven hours in a day, most days. I have, wearing a good aviation helmet.

    i never crashed wearing a helmet, so canít attest to use in a crash, but the one incident I was in, I was very glad I was not wearing a helmet, there was a lot of forces going on, with body parts being flailed. Great shoulder belts saved the day there. A helmet would have added mass to my head, and my wife says thatís dense enough without the helmet. But that wasnít a Cub.

    Which is one of the issuesóthere are literally thousands of variables in these kinds of events. Trying to predict those is tough.

    If you have the discipline to actually WEAR a good helmet in hot summer weather, a GOOD helmet MAY help protect your noodle in an ugly event. Iíve worn em because I was required to, but Iíve seen a lot of them riding around in baggage compartments too.

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    There's lots of info about ANR on the internet. Here's one of the easier to read articles. The scientific papers say the same thing but are very dry reading.

    "Mostly, ANR attenuates frequencies in the lower spectrum, from about 20 Hz to around 300 Hz, with peak reduction at 70-150 Hz. Studies have shown that peak noise levels generated by the propeller, engine and exhaust all combine around the 100 Hz point—precisely the area that ANR attenuates best. Higher-frequency noise is caused mostly by air flowing over the cockpit and fuselage. Most ANR headsets don’t attenuate high frequencies. Because each airplane’s noise signature is different, a headset that’s right for one aircraft owner isn’t necessarily right for another."

    https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/art.../#.XNg9ixaIaaM


    Here’s a marketing-based article that offers some interesting insight. http://www.threat4.com/download/comp...r_muff_ANR.pdf



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Since a helmet is something people wear, 'best' can seem very subjective. After all, no two heads are shaped alike, and no two people seem to have the same tolerance for weight, heat, cost, ad nauseam...

    Having said all that, it would be very easy to substantiate MSA Gallet flight helmets as the absolute best flight helmet you can buy, for cub like and fling wing aircraft. But again, whether you can justify the cost, or whether they feel the most comfortable to you, is a choice you will have to make.

    I am in a fortunate enough place to go through an average of one a year, and routinely try to find a better one. While I have varied the comms installed, I routinely end up with another Gallet.

    A good 'bang for the buck' alternative IMHO are the Peltor helmets. Cost wise, they are on par with the 'pop your headset in the bicycle style hat' that seem to be so popular now days, but unlike those, they are a real helmet.

    Take care, Rob

    And one last thought... while I burn through well over 1000 hrs a year in a flight helmet, none of it is in my cub or 180... YMMV
    Many thanks for your post. Have a nice day !
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    Has anyone used Praetor helmets? Any PIREPS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoxness View Post
    Has anyone used Praetor helmets? Any PIREPS?
    In fact, I purchased one about 6 months ago. The fit is perfect and so far I really like it. The only thing that I didnít like was the quick attach on the chin strap, got one off Amazon fairly cheap and easy to swap out.

    So far, using it every flight in my S7
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    For anyone who was interested, I was able to finish the design for LightSpeeds 2/3. The process to disassemble the LightSpeeds is a little more involved than the David Clarkís or Bose. But itís manageable. There is a write up on the webpage. SkyCowboySupplyCo.com

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    Ditto

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    Just decided, if I ever get a chance.... I'm not fly'n with Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDCROWE View Post
    I can't believe no one has pointed out the the added benefit of when you flip it and have to release the belt you won't end up needing a band aid on the top of your bald head.

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    This deal is really comfortable and I believe will provide a great deal of protection.

    Took about 20 minutes to cautiously dissect a set of Zulu 3’s (this was a trade up set, sent in 2’s for service with a couple hundred bucks and you get them back upgraded to 3’s). Not sure how Lightspeed service will be in the future but I saved all the parts just in case. Then, I did a test fit and I immediately realized I needed to make the helmet smaller which is really easy with the included extra set of thick pads included.

    As for flying, this is now my standard headgear for bopping around. Far superior to my old DC-10 even with a DC noise cancelling headset, as that combination will break the ear seals when you turn your head or squirm around which the new one never did even with the door open on the cub.

    As as you can see I opted for the visor which I’m not yet sold on. In my opinion the tint needs to be darker unless you’re wearing sun glasses and so far there is too far much distortion thru the visor for comfort especially with Rx eye glasses on which is the same comment I got from a guy at work who was wearing a very similar helmet/visor as a hard hat. For me, unless the distortion goes away or a better lenses is out there it will likely come off. What I’d like to see is a simple shade visor like I have on my DC-10 but I’m not sure what is available for the mounts and don’t let my visor comments put you off on buying one.

    Cant say enough good about SkyCowboy Supply, many thanks for prompt express shipping!

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    Upgraded my old commtronics brain bucket to GSI, thanks to a thankful gift. Only to find it being utilized by a skateboarding ninja pilot who really really hates the Texas Longhorns and lingers in my hanger making airplane sounds from the cockpit while Iím trying to work.



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    Denali cub -
    Looks like a cool product you made. I have a DC helmet I never wear and a halfway finished HGU 55 Bose conversion. One thing I need is a helmet I can wear, and wear now. So I ordered your kit and Iím looking forward to it.

    Iím skeptical about how much Iíll wear it (I know... need to work on that) so I will use my old Bose X. If I decided to use it on my Bose A20s or Lightspeeds, can I change them out by ordering some parts from you?

    Thanks!


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    I grabbed a SkyCowboy helmet....so far no complaints. Quick and easy to get my A20’s set up and it’s a pretty clean setup.
    Barneys up in Anchorage looks like they’re going to stock them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flylow View Post
    Denali cub -
    Looks like a cool product you made. I have a DC helmet I never wear and a halfway finished HGU 55 Bose conversion. One thing I need is a helmet I can wear, and wear now. So I ordered your kit and Iím looking forward to it.

    Iím skeptical about how much Iíll wear it (I know... need to work on that) so I will use my old Bose X. If I decided to use it on my Bose A20s or Lightspeeds, can I change them out by ordering some parts from you?

    Thanks!


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    Yes, No problem. The adaptors will all work with the same base helmet!


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    Got mine set up yesterday. 2 hour flight this morning,
    bery comfortable

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    Kirby,

    Thanks for your review. Glad to hear that you are enjoying the helmet. I don't disagree about the visor definitely not as dark as the ones you would find on a true flight helmet. Thats the best I was able to come up with, but trying to get Team Wendy to develop one specific to this use case!




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    This deal is really comfortable and I believe will provide a great deal of protection.

    Took about 20 minutes to cautiously dissect a set of Zulu 3’s (this was a trade up set, sent in 2’s for service with a couple hundred bucks and you get them back upgraded to 3’s). Not sure how Lightspeed service will be in the future but I saved all the parts just in case. Then, I did a test fit and I immediately realized I needed to make the helmet smaller which is really easy with the included extra set of thick pads included.

    As for flying, this is now my standard headgear for bopping around. Far superior to my old DC-10 even with a DC noise cancelling headset, as that combination will break the ear seals when you turn your head or squirm around which the new one never did even with the door open on the cub.

    As as you can see I opted for the visor which I’m not yet sold on. In my opinion the tint needs to be darker unless you’re wearing sun glasses and so far there is too far much distortion thru the visor for comfort especially with Rx eye glasses on which is the same comment I got from a guy at work who was wearing a very similar helmet/visor as a hard hat. For me, unless the distortion goes away or a better lenses is out there it will likely come off. What I’d like to see is a simple shade visor like I have on my DC-10 but I’m not sure what is available for the mounts and don’t let my visor comments put you off on buying one.

    Cant say enough good about SkyCowboy Supply, many thanks for prompt express shipping!

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    Quote Originally Posted by denalicub View Post
    I don't disagree about the visor definitely not as dark as the ones you would find on a true flight helmet. Thats the best I was able to come up with, but trying to get Team Wendy to develop one specific to this use case!
    Why don't you just get a piece of dark plexi, make a mold to the desired shape and heat it in the oven? When bending in three dimensions as shown in the picture, it is difficult to avoid distortions. Try a straight curve.
    Alternatively you could just use a straight length of dark plexi and clamp it to the V behind the windshield. This cuts down on the brilliance of the bright sun and doesn't interfere with your visibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDCROWE View Post
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    This deal is really comfortable and I believe will provide a great deal of protection.

    Took about 20 minutes to cautiously dissect a set of Zulu 3’s (this was a trade up set, sent in 2’s for service with a couple hundred bucks and you get them back upgraded to 3’s). Not sure how Lightspeed service will be in the future but I saved all the parts just in case. Then, I did a test fit and I immediately realized I needed to make the helmet smaller which is really easy with the included extra set of thick pads included.

    As for flying, this is now my standard headgear for bopping around. Far superior to my old DC-10 even with a DC noise cancelling headset, as that combination will break the ear seals when you turn your head or squirm around which the new one never did even with the door open on the cub.

    As as you can see I opted for the visor which I’m not yet sold on. In my opinion the tint needs to be darker unless you’re wearing sun glasses and so far there is too far much distortion thru the visor for comfort especially with Rx eye glasses on which is the same comment I got from a guy at work who was wearing a very similar helmet/visor as a hard hat. For me, unless the distortion goes away or a better lenses is out there it will likely come off. What I’d like to see is a simple shade visor like I have on my DC-10 but I’m not sure what is available for the mounts and don’t let my visor comments put you off on buying one.

    Cant say enough good about SkyCowboy Supply, many thanks for prompt express shipping!

    Kirby
    Thanks for the pirep. I especially appreciate the comparison to the DC helmet, which establishes a baseline that many of us are familiar with.

    Do you think the headset upgrade was worth it? Are 3s that much better than a healthy set of 2s?

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    I go back and forth between Z2’s and 3’s and yes the 3’s do sound better but unless there is a reason I wouldn’t do the upgrade just for grins unless they were running a good special. The set I sent in had a bad battery connection (FYI this was the set I won from LightSpeed several years ago) and I think most of the update is that new controller box plus they put on all new pads.

    Also I flew it just a bit ago, 89 degrees and 99% humidity and it was ok comfortable.
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    The only maintenance my Z2s have ever needed is when the volume sliders get dirty and adjusting them makes the sound cut out, spray the sliders with ether or contact cleaner. Like new in a few seconds.

    I’ll order a couple of helmets soon. What’s the story about Barney’s stocking them? Denali Cub?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    The only maintenance my Z2s have ever needed is when the volume sliders get dirty and adjusting them makes the sound cut out, spray the sliders with ether or contact cleaner. Like new in a few seconds.

    I’ll order a couple of helmets soon. What’s the story about Barney’s stocking them? Denali Cub?

    Barneys will be carrying them. Team Wendy is working with them directly. I am supplying the adaptors. I am manufacturing a batch now to be sent out to Team Wendy next week. So I would expect they will have stock mid July. I do not know what/if there will be any markup.


    Skywagon8A. I wish it were that easy with the visor. I tried a few different products/techniques. Ultimately I don't have enough time to make to manufacture the visors and maintain the quality assurance that I need. This is really just a side hustle to try an offer a quality and inexpensive option to the pilot community. The pilot community is already small enough, just trying to make it a little safer.
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    denali, I though that you only wanted one for yourself and didn't realize that you were wanting to make several of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skywagon8a View Post
    denali, I though that you only wanted one for yourself and didn't realize that you were wanting to make several of them.
    To build tooling for an optically correct spherical face shield is difficult, and hideously expensive.

    The forestry industry is already building spherical face shields that claim to meet some standard or another. Kask in Italy makes shields. Retail for $75 or so. Smoke, clear and mirror. I believe Kask is the OEM manufacturer for Stihl and Husqvarna.

    All that said I just replaced my 5 point harness with Schroth. I believe this is a better use of my personal protective $$.
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    Skywagon8a,

    I am the one packaging and reselling the helmets packages at skycowboysupplyco.com. I did a lot of searching on how to source a cost effective flight visor that would mate with the helmets. First tried adding pigment to one that is manufactured by Team Wendy. But was unsuccessful. Ultimately landed at the Kask visors and had to develop another adaptor.

    Upgrading seatbelts is definitely a no brainer. But they donít have to be mutually exclusive.

    I just had someone get a helmet after smashing their head in wind shear @500 ft. They said they were lucky to reorient themselves.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    Not juts helmets, but now Aviation Shoes..... What the heck....??

    https://liftaviationusa.com/collections


    There are many good options. Thanks for the link

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    To get the best noise reduction that I could, I bought a fixed wing helmet from Government Sales https://www.aviationhelmets.com
    and had the ear bud jack and the ANR installed for the earphones as well. Double sound reduction. I can hear the other planes in the pattern on climb out in my SuperCub.Org with the window up and the door down.

    I have the paraglider helmet (that I posted above) with ANR for the rear passenger and I use this new helmet for myself. Total cost is around 1300 bucks, but the safety of being able to hear other pilots well is worth it to me.

    by the way, I bought the 4 point harness set from Cubcrafters but I can’t figure out how to install it without tearing up the skin of the plane and the liner. The installation instructions are of no help at all. If anybody has installed this I would like to hear how it was done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    Not juts helmets, but now Aviation Shoes..... What the heck....??

    https://liftaviationusa.com/collections

    As a user of a number of different aviation helmets I canít say enough good about the lift aviation helmet..
    very lightweight, comfortable and the fidlock system is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingj View Post
    As a user of a number of different aviation helmets I can’t say enough good about the lift aviation helmet..
    very lightweight, comfortable and the fidlock system is awesome.


    Lift Helmets --START-- at $3250 with a Bose A20 !!!!!???????? You can add a strap on lense for $80 !!!

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    Comparable to most other production helmets for aviation...save $400 and buy just the shell and send it to tiger performance....they installed the Bose A20 for under $1400 in mine.

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    Not juts helmets, but now Aviation Shoes..... What the heck....??

    I just use a pair of hiking boots!!
    After 14000 hours I think I could use some of those magic shoes.

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    Best helmet for backcountry

    I bought the Sky Cowboys helmet to try back in July.

    Installation is easy like others have posted, done in under 30 minutes. I initially broke the plastic leg of the Peltor support. Customer service was great, but I had a trip planned so I just got a new Peltor attachment.

    The Sky Cowboyís helmet is nice and light. I like that itís not too heavy and itís comfortable to wear on a couple hour flight. The helmet is a SAR helmet. I found it wasnít too hot on a summer day but Iím in Alaska so summer is cooler.

    Compared to the David Clark helmet, this is more comfortable. I like the flexibility to add whatever headset. I used an old spare Bose X headset and it works really well. I think this is better made helmet. The David Clark helmet I have cracked one winter sitting in the hangar.

    My biggest complaint is the ear cups. The only adjustment to fit your head/ear combination is adding different liner thicknesses. I found it hard to get the liner thickness perfect so the Bose muffs fit my ears right. Ideally there should be an adjustment with the Peltor piece to bring the ear cup up or down.

    Overall I think this helmet is great for price and convenience. I donít like it as well as my HGU55 but thatís probably due to the fit. The HGU55s ear cups are held in by velcro and you can easily adjust them. For the cost, fit and ability to install whatever headset, this helmet is a win. For low budget, this is a great option.Click image for larger version. 

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    Best helmet for backcountry

    Quote Originally Posted by flylow View Post
    I bought the Sky Cowboys helmet to try back in July.

    Installation is easy like others have posted, done in under 30 minutes. I initially broke the plastic leg of the Peltor support. Customer service was great, but I had a trip planned so I just got a new Peltor attachment.

    The Sky Cowboyís helmet is nice and light. I like that itís not too heavy and itís comfortable to wear on a couple hour flight. The helmet is a SAR helmet. I found it wasnít too hot on a summer day but Iím in Alaska so summer is cooler.

    Compared to the David Clark helmet, this is more comfortable. I like the flexibility to add whatever headset. I used an old spare Bose X headset and it works really well. I think this is better made helmet. The David Clark helmet I have cracked one winter sitting in the hangar.

    My biggest complaint is the ear cups. The only adjustment to fit your head/ear combination is adding different liner thicknesses. I found it hard to get the liner thickness perfect so the Bose muffs fit my ears right. Ideally there should be an adjustment with the Peltor piece to bring the ear cup up or down.

    Overall I think this helmet is great for price and convenience. I donít like it as well as my HGU55 but thatís probably due to the fit. The HGU55s ear cups are held in by velcro and you can easily adjust them. For the cost, fit and ability to install whatever headset, this helmet is a win. For low budget, this is a great option.Click image for larger version. 

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    This is my personal opinion,but this kind of ďbumpĒ helmet might be good at preventing a scalp laceration, but it cannot be very good at preventing a serious concussion or brain injury. Your HGU55 offers you real protection. For a low budget approach with good shock cushioning and audio, you canít beat the sturdy Chinese ANR paraglider helmet that I listed earlier in the thread.


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