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    Lifting Eyes

    Where can I get a pair for my 180?
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    cessna parts dealership

    wings off for all the work you are doing?

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    Nope. Finally putting it back together. Designing my new panel.



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    wings off for all the work you are doing?
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    It is nigh impossible to accomplish lift eye installation with wings on. Maybe there is a trick out there?

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    I agree with Dave, there are four eyes on these airplanes, at the wing attach points.

    But $$ fixes everything

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    All most of us have is two. A couple of us know a plane that had one rip out at about 50' AGL while being lifted by a helicopter. That plane got returned to the ground hanging on one eye. Tense moment for that owner as he was standing under it to support the low wingtip as they set it down.
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    Didn't know that. Thought it was like putting them on a Cub.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Calkins View Post
    It is nigh impossible to accomplish lift eye installation with wings on. Maybe there is a trick out there?
    "Put out my hand and touched the face of God!"
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    Stewart,

    The 206 you are referring to had a missile nut without a substantial washer holding the lifting eye. If the lifting eye was installed correctly it would have worked as designed.
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    I was impressed that the good one held!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Where can I get a pair for my 180?
    That's why you were able to buy it cheap. No seaplane kit.
    N1PA
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    Among other things!



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    That's why you were able to buy it cheap. No seaplane kit.
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    I had 4 on my 185 ...2 is just to spooky ..but I've seen it done a lot.

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    I've only ever seen and used the front 2... rear holes were always covered/capped

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    I’ve seen a lot of gear changes on 185s and 180s, using all four. If you’re going to install them, do it the way Cessna spec’d, and that’s with four.

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    They can be changed with wings on, long extension with a crows foot, large area washer or the Cessna rectangular washer on the bottom of the carry thru. Spin it from the top until starts snugging up, then finish snug with crows foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DW View Post
    I had 4 on my 185 ...2 is just to spooky ..but I've seen it done a lot.
    Mine has 4,got a bit spooky when we just used the front two awhile back.
    Remember, These are the Good old Days!

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    Mine has four.

    As I will never have it on floats I was going to remove them. But not if I have to take the wings off first. Bloody hell, that's too much.

    I would love to see how the four hooks are used in practice if anyone has a photo, or two.

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    I've been lifting my 180 on the two factory lift rings for two decades. Plan to do it again this weekend. There's nothing spooky about it. Spooky is using a gear leg fixture and a Handyman. I'll take the boom truck every time!
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    I've lifted a porky late model 180 on and off of floats more times than I can count, always on the front lifting eyes. If you can't trust those eye bolts what bolts can you trust?
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    Pulled a 180 floating on bouys from the front lifting eyes all over a lake with a boat (slowly) and they held just fine
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    If you rig it to lift level with all 4, you find out the back ones aren't holding much. I think the back ones are to help set pitch. I use the front two for float changes but would use all 4 if I lifted it regularly and wanted to keep it level with the least effort.

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    When you are installing floats without any help you will know why there are four lifting eyes. I wouldn't even think of trying it with only two. On a 172 it will nearly balance with only two but not on a 180/185/206.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Where can I get a pair for my 180?
    You'll also need to have an overhead winch, block-n-tackle, chainfall, or whatever.
    Dumb question, but....are you gonna put it on & off floats? Or pull the gear legs off?
    If it's just for hoisting the airplane for changing tires etc, seems like overkill.
    I raise mine up one side at a time using an engine hoist and a nylon choker around the gear leg.
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    Less controllable may be more accurate then spooky. I only used mine for putting it on and off floats and using all 4 I found to be much easier. I built a frame to lift and set it right on the floats, I was doing it alone most of the time.
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    Cut me some slack. I have been an engineer for 45 years. I think I can handle it!


    Quote Originally Posted by hotrod180 View Post
    You'll also need to have an overhead winch, block-n-tackle, chainfall, or whatever.
    Dumb question, but....are you gonna put it on & off floats? Or pull the gear legs off?
    If it's just for hoisting the airplane for changing tires etc, seems like overkill.
    I raise mine up one side at a time using an engine hoist and a nylon choker around the gear leg.
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    Has anyone done a weight and balance check using an overhead hoist? Any issues/concerns with doing it?

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    I weighed my Cub with scale on an overhead hoist and a scale on the tail post. Works just fine as long as you use the proper moment arms.
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    I'm going to floats in a couple of weeks on a 206, would like to get a good data point with it on floats. Hopefully I can level it with the rigging and then use a plumb bob to measure to the firewall.

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    Have you tried the salvage guys in Sutton and Copper Center AK. I can get you the numbers if you need them.
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    You can post them here. Thanks. I would love to find a good used panel base. Avionics guys have butchered mine.

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    Have you tried the salvage guys in Sutton and Copper Center AK. I can get you the numbers if you need them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo77 View Post
    I've lifted a porky late model 180 on and off of floats more times than I can count, always on the front lifting eyes. If you can't trust those eye bolts what bolts can you trust?
    Wasn’t the eye bolts I had a problem with, my spreader bar started to fold up...
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    4 hoisting eyes on my 180J

    Quote Originally Posted by stewartb View Post
    All most of us have is two. A couple of us know a plane that had one rip out at about 50' AGL while being lifted by a helicopter. That plane got returned to the ground hanging on one eye. Tense moment for that owner as he was standing under it to support the low wingtip as they set it down.

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    I used the boom truck a couple of nights ago on my new Cub. It behaved just like my 180 always has. Just before the mains lift off the ground the tail comes up a couple of feet. Lift the mains a few more inches, the tail comes up 2 or 3x as much. No big deal on a calm night. Lifting a plane on the lift rings will tell you a lot about it's balance. Especially when you do it a couple of dozen times with different stuff in the plane.
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    Anyone have a photo of where they go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    Anyone have a photo of where they go?
    description http://www.fadodge.com/lifting-eyes/

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    For a 180.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    For a 180.
    at the front spar carry through

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Foy View Post
    For a 180.

    http://www.mennen.org/airplanes/Logs46Q/C185parts.pdf

    32 A

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike mcs repair View Post
    Page 176 figure 70
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