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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    My wife bought an investment house south of Fort Worth Texas and one of our daughters is currently renting it.
    It is not where I would want to live, and thus a HUGE source of tension right now.
    Hopefully it will go up in value in a couple years so we can sell it. But my wife has pulled this on me before with another house up in Anchorage. ( rented out to another of our kids, for years now.. )
    I guess I could sell my 180 and buy my own house down south. But then I would not have a plane... Maybe I could just live in the back of the 180 all winter...
    Alex, Momma always seems to have the last say BUT, I accidentally came across a place I would love to winter a few weeks ago... Went down to Fredericksburg, TX (hour north of San Antonio) to look at an airplane. Found the nicest bunch of folks i could imagine. If I could drag my bride from her Grandkids, I'd build a hangar-house at that airport and winter there... BUT as G44 (Kurt) mention early in this thread SW Michigan is a great place to live year round!! His airport community is a AWESOME!! I live and hangar a few mile away but Neumans Field (4N0) is "the Bomb"!!
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    Does anyone have experience or currently live in Washington State on an Airpark they would recommend?
    Looking for sunshine and less snow than Minnesota.


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    We have had several places over the years at SkyRanch in Carefree. Current one has nice 75'x65' hangar attached to the house, 2500' elevation, during high temps in summer always at least 6 degrees cooler than Phoenix during day, about 15 cooler at night. Usually in Alaska in summer, but this year popped a tendon in my ankle so stuck here so far, cast off in a couple weeks, then boot, will see if I can go to Ak or not then. Best medical choices of anywhere in area, Mayo and lots of specialists for everything. Need that when getting older!!

    Not many places for sale on runway, only 20 lots total and getting pretty pricey, but t hangars can be had for $180-200K+ range if one does not want to live on airport, just in area, then far better pricing for homes. High desert, to trees and saguaros, not like PHX valley where not much natural vegetation.
    Lots of back country flying in all directions.
    Best of both worlds, AZ and Alaska in my view. But if I were to move, sure would look at Fredricksburg, TX hill country area, just humid and hot in summer I think. One place only one will have to have some winter. Born in AK and spent most of my life in Ak, so do not need any more long winters! But summer is still the best there.
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    Something else that I have started to research is taxes upon retirement income and property taxes.

    Texas has no income tax. BUT... the little 3 bedroom house near Fort Worth is costing me $425 a month in taxes. I hear it is much less in other areas.

    It would not be as big a deal, if my ex-wife, and a female judge from many years ago, had not harnesses me with eternal payments.

    Has anyone been around Breckenridge Texas and that big lake nearby??
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    So first Iím a pilot and second Iím a Broker in Washington State. If you are looking for sunshine and less snow then you have a narrow area in Washington that you can look. But the other then that the state is great flying and fun to see. Are you looking closer to Seattle or do you wan to be closer to Spokane? Just use me as a resource no obligation to use me has a realtor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    Something else that I have started to research is taxes upon retirement income and property taxes.

    Texas has no income tax. BUT... the little 3 bedroom house near Fort Worth is costing me $425 a month in taxes. I hear it is much less in other areas.

    It would not be as big a deal, if my ex-wife, and a female judge from many years ago, had not harnesses me with eternal payments.

    Has anyone been around Breckenridge Texas and that big lake nearby??
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    Property taxes in AZ are pretty low. Half the rate of Anchorage, do not even think about CA property taxes, way high.
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    FWIW, I spent a number of summer vacations flying around the country looking at real estate and airports before I retired. I landed in the Ozarks of North Central Arkansas in a small village built around some small man made lakes. Taxes are reasonable. Property is inexpensive. There are a lot of private air strips around, and land that can be bought if you want to build your own. I chose to buy a house on one of the lakes and use the municipal airport as hangar rent is also inexpensive. A 48' wide T hangar with a bi-fold door runs $150/mo in our area. I leased a 48 x 48 hangar for $200/mo. A nice house on the lake is just over $200K. I've got a dock behind the house. Usually go kayaking in the evenings. Good fishing in the lake. Trout fishing in the Spring River close by. It's just a short hop over to Gaston's for breakfast. Our winters are pretty mild, but we've got some serious humidity in the summer. It may not be for everyone, but was the perfect place for me.

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    FWIW,

    Being born & raised in Alaska (well, OK, Los Anchorage) but having spent an unfortunate amount of time in Ewe-stun, Texas, I was surprised how many folks (from all over the country and the world) came to Houston for work and ended up retiring in the Texas Hill Country. It might be worth considering:

    - As a note, I never spent much time (couldn't generate the interest) in North Texas...might be lots of attractive places up there, but even after spending 15 years on/off in Texas, don't have much experience there.
    - The Ozarks (as mentioned above) are a nice part of the country and were a regular destination for me during the "I can't stand Houston anymore" episodes...which occurred quite frequently.
    - Burnet, Marble Falls, Llano, Blanco, Kerrville, Bandera, Fredericksburg were all regular get-away spots. FWIW, for some reason, Austin and Suburbs was more attractive to me than San Antonio and Suburbs. Houston and Suburbs was, if not on the bottom of the list, close to it. The Dallas / Ft. Worth area was always something to get through rather than visit.
    - Taxes in Texas can vary quite a bit (and often for reasons I never understood) but I think it's safe to say that the further the county is from a big city, the (relatively) lower the taxes
    - Lots of hunting and fishing opportunities in Texas...just not like anything in Alaska.
    - As with everything else, it varies depending on time, location, personalities, but good land can be had in Texas for a reasonable price as long as one doesn't want the most water, the best view, the most productive acreage, etc.
    - One good feature about most parts of Texas is the road accessibility: while one can always get buried in the swamps in SE Texas or fall into an arroyo in West Texas (or get buried in the sand, etc), most places can be driven to and driven on.
    - If one isn't in the most remote parts, the road accessibility tends to make it easier to find multiple builders of both hangars and houses.
    - If one wants mountains, come back to AK during the spring/summer/fall. Despite any nomenclature or local pride, Texas doesn't have mountains like the Chugach, Alaska Range, or the coastal ranges. The Hill Country, Davis Mountains, and a few other places provide some interesting (and much needed after Houston) vertical relief, but don't provide the mountain fix that I always seemed to need.
    - Aviation factors are kind of hit and miss, but (while not making a search), I've been surprised on several instances to be out tooling around Farm or Ranch roads in Central/West Texas and in comes a cub/180/185/citabria to either a bare spot on the ground or to a local airport that was well hidden.
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    The Texas hill country is a pretty area, but is getting ever more expensive and touristy. Every little Luchenbach-like town has its lineup of locally imported knick-knack shops and wine bistros. The fate of many nice areas, it seems.

    There are some quite nice high dollar airparks down there, mostly paved.

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    What are the names of the best airparks in the hill country area?
    Want to check them out.
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    Here are two of the best: Silver Wings (TS36) and Tierra Linda (60TE). There are others, but not sure they have lots or homes for sale.

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    I called a couple realtors in the Texas Hill Country area and they said that they are being buried by California people moving there. Thus the huge price increases. Unfortunately they may change the way that area votes.
    There are already big swaths of Texas that have that problem.

    Cub Builder: There is a guy who shows up here in Homer for the last couple of years, driving Cessna-Blow-Sucks over to the beach for bear viewing. He was talking about Arkansas as well this year. I wonder how the humidity would nail my wife. And me for that matter. I am a born and raised Alaskan who burst into flames at 70 degrees.... When I went to central America with Uncle Sam, I thought I was gonna drop over dead. I liked Saudi and Iraq better than Panama. ( or Florida )

    Wyoming has no income tax, low property taxes and tends to be pretty conservative. But winters are worse than Alaska, there are no trees and no lakes.

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    Here's a perspective

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    The part about skipping the Pan Handle just made me spit Ice Tea all over my keyboard.

    It would be nice to find somebody or some place I could teach float-flying during a good chunk of the year. I am a good tail-wheel instructor, but an even better on floats.

    I could be known as the old guy down the road who teaches floats...
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    You'll want to be in Burnet. Promark Aviation does float ratings in an amphib PA-12
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    Panhandle!? Everybody forgets us until they eat a steak.
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    But those Panhandlers leave swill beer cans everywhere

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    I like the rock formations around the Canyon Texas area. I think that counts as Panhandle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    Cub Builder: There is a guy who shows up here in Homer for the last couple of years, driving Cessna-Blow-Sucks over to the beach for bear viewing. He was talking about Arkansas as well this year. I wonder how the humidity would nail my wife. And me for that matter. I am a born and raised Alaskan who burst into flames at 70 degrees.... When I went to central America with Uncle Sam, I thought I was gonna drop over dead. I liked Saudi and Iraq better than Panama. ( or Florida )

    Wyoming has no income tax, low property taxes and tends to be pretty conservative. But winters are worse than Alaska, there are no trees and no lakes.
    I moved here after 32 years in the dry cool air of the mountains of northern NM. The summer humidity here makes the air thick enough to slice and serve on a plate at times. But that's why we have A/C in the house and cars. It's nothing compared to the heat and humidity in Central America. Been there. What I like is the long autumn, mild winter, and long spring. Summer is hot and humid, but most days I can climb a couple of thousand feet and open the doors on the Cub and it's pretty comfortable. Politically speaking, Arkansas is very conservative. We're in the Bible belt here where the blue laws still exist, so no alcohol sales on Sundays and most restaurants stay closed on Sundays. That in itself should keep the Californians away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    The part about skipping the Pan Handle just made me spit Ice Tea all over my keyboard.

    It would be nice to find somebody or some place I could teach float-flying during a good chunk of the year. I am a good tail-wheel instructor, but an even better on floats.

    I could be known as the old guy down the road who teaches floats...
    I’m obliged to put in a plug for Tennessee. You mentioned being the old guy who teaches floats: Tennessee boasts a number of TVA reservoirs in the eastern half, and float operations are permitted. It would be possible to live on a reservoir and keep your plane at your house, so you don’t have to be at an Airpark.

    Knoxville is surrounded by TVA reservoirs. I’ve found Knoxville to be just right - the right size, the right options for eating out, the right proximity to lakes and mountains, and the right sales taxes (around 7%). Also, Tennessee has no income tax.

    But if you prefer an Airpark setting, there are many to choose from. I’ve bought a lot at Big South Fork Air Park, and look forward to building my retirement home there. We picked BSFAP because it looks like a conventional neighborhood rather than a housing development in the midst of a bunch of steel buildings. Regrettably, it is not on a lake.

    Parts of Tennessee will remind you of Alaska in that some folks “throw out a lot of stuff, but they don’t throw it very far” (with a tip o’ the hat to MTV). Think Alaska yards with kudzu.

    Tennessee summers are hot and humid June through August. Winters are very mild - only a few snow falls in our area. The autumn and spring colors are amazing. Eastern Tennessee has “mountains” that make for a very pleasant skyline. My retirement plan is to spend about seven months of the year in TN and the balance in AK.
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    I would be fine with having the plane on a lake near or at my house. Or even a place next to or near an old grass or gravel strip with a couple old guys working out of an old Quonset hut doing annuals. I like turning wrenches as well.
    I only have a few years left to enjoy flying before time is up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    I would be fine with having the plane on a lake near or at my house. Or even a place next to or near an old grass or gravel strip with a couple old guys working out of an old Quonset hut doing annuals. I like turning wrenches as well.
    I only have a few years left to enjoy flying before time is up...
    Alex, I right there with ya! Old injuries catching up with me quite quickly! Not sure how many years I might have left to be able to fly.

    I will also mention that I look at a couple of places east of Frankston, TX, Aero Estates T25. Not a bad place and water access. Have a friend/acquinatance that has a place there. Might be a little humid, but not Florida panhandle, summer time humid.

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    I have been looking at Lake Property houses on the Trullia website for a year now. Texas, Oklahoma, and recently Arkansas and Tennessee.
    I see lots of docks and boat ramps in the photos, including other houses around the lakes.

    BUT,,,, I never see any floatplanes tied up anywhere. In fact I often see boats jacked up out of the water. Seldom in the water.


    Do a lot of those lakes have some sort of weird rules about the boat having to be out of the water while not in use ???


    I have heard that in some states you can land on a lake but not water-taxi a floatplane for some bizarre reason.

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    The TVA allows floatplanes on its reservoirs. There are planes based on the lakes, but they are not as numerous as boats.
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    There is a floatplane operation (training and flightseeing) in Knoxville. He lifts his plane on a device similar to a boat lift because the water level varies widely..... like 5 or 6 ft. Getting the plane out of the water means he doesn't have to babysit it when they lower the lake level.

    Of course part of the reason you don't see any floatplanes is because there aren't very many in this part of the world. Oddly, one of the government wildlife agencies has a couple of Top Cubs on amphibs in TN. I don't know what they do with them.

    I have similar dreams about summers in AK and winter somewhere a bit less harsh. Knoxville is high on my list but... don't get caught by surprise by the "use" tax. If you bring your airplane you get to pay 7% of the value for the privilege of registering it in TN. It's a "sales and use" tax.... so if you buy another one, you get to pay another 7%. If you can prove you paid sales tax when you bought it they'll give you a break by reducing your tax by the amount you paid in another state. I've heard of people keeping their airplane registered in another state.......

    The local sales taxes add up too... most places in TN the total state and local sales tax together is 9.7%. You don't really notice it until you make a big purchase. And your LLC gets to pay an excise tax... so no income tax but there are taxes.

    Not trying to discourage you from TN... Knoxville is a nice town with lots of places you can land a floatplane nearby. You can fly year round, there's scenic beauty, tree covered mountains ..... there's a lot to like.
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    Here’s a new airpark being constructed in Eastern New Mexico at Ute Lake. Maybe 100 miles West of Amarillo. Pretty secluded, big lake, nice golf course, couple hrs drive to ski resorts. High desert, mesa country. The strip is all but on the lake. Hot but no humidity. Winters can suck but it’s only for short periods. I landed on the strip last summer after it had been grubbed of brush. The developer has a tige boat dealership and used to own a Maule......it’s not a populated area. More momma cows around the lake than people

    https://www.qcsunonline.com/story/20...val/20046.html

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    And there's a woman behind every tree. Good luck finding a tree.
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    Tony’s right. Not many trees and what few are there lean to the east from the wind. The breeze, however, is what makes it bearable during the summer heat.

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    Years ago I lived in Alpine WY, in fact worked for the contractor who built the runway. I kept a calendar weather diary that winter. Due to the "lake effect" from Palisades Reservoir, It snowed some each day for 119 days. They didn't even plow any of the roads except the store/ post office parking lots and the state highway. We just used snow machines all winter. Great when you're 20 something.

    I think Alex wanted to get out of the cold and snow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJCruiser View Post
    So first Iím a pilot and second Iím a Broker in Washington State. If you are looking for sunshine and less snow then you have a narrow area in Washington that you can look. But the other then that the state is great flying and fun to see. Are you looking closer to Seattle or do you wan to be closer to Spokane? Just use me as a resource no obligation to use me has a realtor!

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    AJ Cruiser,
    I have heard the San Juan Islands are a unique and special place both for weather and scenery. I havenít explored anymore that the satellite view on Google maps and Zillow listings. Iím open to recommendations near any large town.
    I am an ATP And fly for a living so in general I will be working from whatever airport would be close by.

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    It seems if one is willing to accept the living in two places throughout the course of the year; there are many amazing places that have two or three great seasons.
    At this point I am trying to find the best of both worlds ... or seasons.

    I was in Alpine, WY and loved the area. I canít say enough about the area however; I am concerned the winters would be too much to handle.

    So far this is what Iíve discovered. I am looking for a tax friendly state with fishing, hunting and flying that is similar to Minnesota, but has a bit more seclusion and scenery. I should also mention that Iím looking for a state that is more conservative politically. Thatís just my preference.
    I am not excited to move east to TN, love to visit its just on the wrong side of the Mississippi River.
    I like the western part of the US the most.
    Phoenix, AZ was just too hot for year-round living and my wife wants green grass.
    I like the thought of TX, but the high costs related to real estate make it a tough choice.
    Currently looking at Hot Springs/Spearfish SD next. I am open to more input.


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    Oklahoma Airpark

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    Once again my bride of many years is pestering me to move out of Alaska at least in the winter months. She craves warmth and a swimming pool.
    Everyday (twice a day) she has a new list of potential homes and towns. Her ideas of nice places to live are not the same as mine.
    So.... I might as well get myself into the process before I get stuck in someplace terrible.

    Are there certain states or areas that are NOT aviation friendly that should be avoided ???
    How about areas that are more likely to have aviation activities, fly-ins and such???
    How about air parks or community runways??? Are there down-sides to those?

    Any ideas???



    Please consider Mulberry Hill Airpark (6OK9) just east of STillwater Oklahoma. Usually have an ad in Barnstormers under Oklahoma airport property. Our lots are $25,000 and You could stay busy here with taildragger instruction. There is a lake within 215 miles they used to instruct on and then there are lots of lakes within 50 miles. Grand, keystone etc. Monte 405-747-4634

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    There is a lake within 215 miles they used to instruct on
    A bit of a cross country to get to that lake...

    I am sorta in the same boat as T-bone.

    1. Looking for better winters than Alaska.
    2. Prefer smaller towns of 10,000 or less.
    3. Conservative area.
    4. Aviation friendly.
    5. Tax friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Clark View Post
    A bit of a cross country to get to that lake...

    I am sorta in the same boat as T-bone.

    1. Looking for better winters than Alaska.
    2. Prefer smaller towns of 10,000 or less.
    3. Conservative area.
    4. Aviation friendly.
    5. Tax friendly.
    That is a tall order Alex. We discuss this regularly when my wife says that she wants to move. When I ask where, she can not come up with an answer.
    You should add:
    6. Close or nearby to quality medical facilities.
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    just curious, whats it like around St. George Utah?

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    And then.... there’s GRANDKIDS. we go south to northern NY in the winter to be near them. Can you say winter and the ever present taxes and lib-tards . I don’t recommend it if your not there to see family. If they move I’ll never go back. Wife won’t let me go south of Albany, said I don’t get along with people well enough and just get pissed when treated rude. Can’t understand it, don’t have a problem in Alaska,lol.good luck on your hunt Alex, guess you just got to pick and go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempdoug View Post
    just curious, whats it like around St. George Utah?
    Area is gorgeous if you like the "southwest". (I do)

    Hot hot hot in the summer but good flying other seasons. Hurricane would be my choice if I could afford it.

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